[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Sonja Trauss]

This is pretty good and interesting. I support the idea of articulating
some clear positions, and not getting stuck in an incoherent mess of ideas.
I think the author is wrong though, to oppose new building. That makes
housing shortages worse, and then raises rent. (See sf) also the author
claims new residents aren't interested in street life. I don't think that's
true. Yuppies looove walking their dogs to the coffee shop.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Max B wrote:

> Here's an amazing article with a ton of history:
>
>
> http://www.bayofrage.com/from-the-bay/oakland-is-for-burning-beyond-a-critique-of-gentrification/
>
> I would highly recommend anyone who thinks they have useful things to
> say on the mailing list to read ALL of it and reconsider their
> remarks......
>
> On 11/26/2013 11:19 AM, mattsenate at gmail.com wrote:
> > Is this the best context to wrestle with the big questions of
> gentrification, oppression based on race or ethnicity, etc?
> >
> > What if the conversation was focused, honed in on more tangible
> questions? Can anyone present us with some good insight and analysis based
> on evidence of contemporary gentrification, the east bay, Oakland, and the
> neighborhoods in question? What are the implications for commercial renters
> and social change organizations like sudo room?
> >
> > Can anyone find a presenter for a sudo room weekly meeting so we can
> learn more?
> >
> > By the way, Shake Anderson is planning to share the story of saving from
> foreclosure Liberty Hall in West Oakland at 7:30 at the sudo meeting on
> Wednesday.
> >
> > // Matt
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
> > To: "Pete Forsyth" <peteforsyth at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> > Subject: [sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space
> > Date: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:58
> > Just because that's the usual context for gentrification. "pretty mixed"
> in that context meant in the interests and jobs of the residents. I meant w
> o is already home to many anarchists/ makers/ artists. Not clear though,
> fair.
> > I should look up the race breakdown though. It's 65% black I think and
> the rest Asian Latino and white. Not in that order, I don't remember the
> order.
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
> >
> > Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
> >
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
> similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
> >
> >
> >
> > In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
> >
> >
> >
> > Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
> two specific goals:Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing
> projects move or be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25
> years, but still)
> >
> >
> > Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of
> w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
> > Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for
> myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site
> parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero
> incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to
> work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their
> balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike
> front doors to the recycling center.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
> community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer
> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
> problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
> amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
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