[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Pete Forsyth]

Actually, forget the "minimal evidence" part. I'm not sure that kind of
accusation *ever* has a place on a public mailing list.

Your analysis certainly does, though.
Pete


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>wrote:

> Cool. I think your points are fair, I just bristled at the public
> accusation that a list member was being racially insensitive, on minimal
> evidence.
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Just because that's the usual context for gentrification. "pretty mixed"
>> in that context meant in the interests and jobs of the residents. I meant w
>> o is already home to many anarchists/ makers/ artists. Not clear though,
>> fair.
>> I should look up the race breakdown though. It's 65% black I think and
>> the rest Asian Latino and white. Not in that order, I don't remember the
>> order.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>
>>> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
>>> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
>>> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
>>> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
>>> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
>>> similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>>>
>>> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
>>> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
>>> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>>>
>>>  Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
>>> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
>>> two specific goals:
>>> Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or
>>> be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still)
>>> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of
>>> w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
>>> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
>>> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>>
>>> Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for
>>> myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site
>>> parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero
>>> incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to
>>> work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their
>>> balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike
>>> front doors to the recycling center.
>>>
>>> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
>>> community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer
>>> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
>>> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
>>> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
>>> amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
>>> neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have
>>> a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -amber
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could
>>> potentially be a new sudo space.
>>>
>>> We've started gathering information about it here:
>>>
>>>   https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>>>
>>> My personal feeling about the space is:
>>>
>>> This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of
>>> the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a
>>> neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART,
>>> and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in
>>> comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big
>>> separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in
>>> almost every way.
>>>
>>> --
>>> marc/juul
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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