[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Pete Forsyth]

Cool. I think your points are fair, I just bristled at the public
accusation that a list member was being racially insensitive, on minimal
evidence.
Pete


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:

> Just because that's the usual context for gentrification. "pretty mixed"
> in that context meant in the interests and jobs of the residents. I meant w
> o is already home to many anarchists/ makers/ artists. Not clear though,
> fair.
> I should look up the race breakdown though. It's 65% black I think and the
> rest Asian Latino and white. Not in that order, I don't remember the order.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
>> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
>> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
>> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
>> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
>> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
>> similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>>
>> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
>> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
>> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>>
>>  Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
>> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
>> two specific goals:
>> Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or
>> be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still)
>> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of w
>> O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
>> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
>> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>
>> Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for myself,
>> the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site parking
>> where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero incentive or
>> inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to work, drive to
>> Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their balconies while their
>> neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike front doors to the
>> recycling center.
>>
>> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
>> community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer
>> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
>> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
>> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
>> problem.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
>> amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
>> neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have
>> a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?
>>
>> -amber
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>
>> Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could
>> potentially be a new sudo space.
>>
>> We've started gathering information about it here:
>>
>>   https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>>
>> My personal feeling about the space is:
>>
>> This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of
>> the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a
>> neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART,
>> and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in
>> comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big
>> separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in
>> almost every way.
>>
>> --
>> marc/juul
>>
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