[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

[Sonja Trauss]

You don't need to be a scientist to know about your own experience - that
is what I am asking about.
Stats are useful, but no one should rely on them exclusively, and for a lot
of things they are actively misleading. What's the point of knowing
different kinds of people if you can't get anecdotal data and social
theories from them?

I told you guys my experience - it's counter to the received wisdom on the
relative safety of white men and women in high crime neighborhoods. That's
why I think it's interesting.

Now other people, go.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013, David Barthwell wrote:

> Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist.
>
> So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in
> effect?
>
> Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a bit
> (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank you).
>
> I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately not a statistician nor a
> sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or informal - on the
> correlation between property crime and race.  If you're genuinely curious
> about the data and not just making some ... point, there's always Google.
> Or DuckDuckGo.  Whatever.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'rhodey at anhonesteffort.org');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Sonja,
>>
>> If your question was not answered the first time please consider that
>> the people may not want to answer. No one should be pressured into
>> participating in a conversation, I for one am removing myself from whats
>> become of this. If anyone would still like to contact me about any of
>> the content I have put forth within this thread I ask that you please do
>> so in person or in an off-list email.
>>
>> --
>> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>
>> On 11/19/2013 01:03 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> > I still want to know whether David has any info/ insights on the
>> > relative vulnerability to mugging of white v black men. Or if anyone on
>> > here has any notion for vulnerability based on race.
>> >
>> > For me, I notice that walking around with a white man generates more
>> > threatening comments than if I was walking alone. That and also what
>> > reports from white men about being mugged and held up leads me to
>> > believe I would be more vulnerable to being mugged if I was a boy.
>> >
>> > Are there any black girls on the list that have a similar set of
>> > anecdotal datas?  or black men walking alone v. walking w white men?
>> >
>> > I can't tell if there is no personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some. It
>> > confirmed the other data I had. Any more either way?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Chris Bee <hotelcompany at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'hotelcompany at gmail.com');>
>> > <mailto:hotelcompany at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'hotelcompany at gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I don't mind discussing this topic as long as it's constructive and
>> >     keeps the finger pointing to a minimum.
>> >
>> >     Unfortunately there's plenty of shitty people out there...or as my
>> >     mom used to say, "asshole is a rainbow word." Honest and frank
>> >     discussion about assholes is not a bad thing...categorizing or
>> >     generalizing those assholes based on appearance or other factors is
>> >     iffy and something I try to avoid.
>> >
>> >     -chrisbee
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