[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

rhodey rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
Mon Nov 18 22:54:56 PST 2013


> How many Oaktown homies [sorry if that phrase bugs anyone, I got it
> from someone who used it to refer to themselves and their friends]
> have ever gotten within a mile of Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park? (home
> of a bunch of well-known VC firms)

If you have to excuse your choice of vocabulary it is probably best to
chose again. Now please excuse me while I crawl back into my digital
world of definite, actionable semantics.

-- 
-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙

On 11/18/2013 09:54 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
> 
> To cut right to the chase here:
> 
> What does it take to run a gang?  The same skills it takes to run a
> small business.  Buying "product" wholesale and selling it retail,
> keeping track of inventory, hiring and firing, bookkeeping, management,
> marketing, and dealing with the "competition."
> 
> I'd bet the price of a house, that easily half of the gang-bangers in
> Oakland are kids with serious entrepreneurial smarts who are locked out
> and shut out of legitimate business activity by way of:
> 
> Racism: the obvious one.
> Classism: never underestimate this one.
> Illiteracy: call it by name, and fix the schools.
> 
> So: what does someone do with a serious talent if they're denied every
> opportunity to use it legitimately?  They use it wherever they can. 
> "Product" is "product."  Sales are sales.  Externalities are
> externalities, plus or minus washing the blood off the street.
> 
> How many Oaktown homies [sorry if that phrase bugs anyone, I got it from
> someone who used it to refer to themselves and their friends] have ever
> gotten within a mile of Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park? (home of a bunch
> of well-known VC firms)
> 
> What do you think the VCers would say if a half dozen Oaktown homies
> showed up in their waiting room one morning?
> 
> Maybe it's time to find out.
> 
> Challenge #1:  Raise a million bucks for a local microenterprise
> development fund.  Set up a microenterprise incubator.  Find and fund
> kids who no VCer would touch.  Go into the schools and make it known. 
> Sign up at-risk kids early, before they switch off inside and opt into
> crime-world.  That means starting in middle-school, possibly elementary
> school.  Tutor them if needed to get their literacy skills up to par. 
> Hook them up with small business mentors and encourage them to teach
> others in turn. 
> 
> Challenge #2:  Start a local currency that works like Ithaca Hours
> (labor-based valuation).  One of the strongest correlates of poverty
> (hence crime) is the absence of turnover of dollars in a local economy. 
> In Marin County a dollar changes hands on average 33 times before it
> exits the county.  In East Oakland, a dollar changes hands on average
> TWICE before it exits the community.  Forget the "pirate" bullshit: the
> purpose of local currency isn't to duck The Man, it's to strengthen the
> local economy by encouraging circulation of money locally.  Do what works.
> 
> Next installment:
> 
> How to set up a microenterprise lending system and start a bank.
> 
> Yeah I'm as serious as a heart attack about this.
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> 
> On 13-11-18-Mon 8:35 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> oh.
>>
>> Guaranteed basic income, that does NOT increase if you have children.
>> You receive it starting at, say, 22. No earlier.
>>
>> There are org.s that are working on advocating for it. I guess I
>> should start volunteering more.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public
>>     mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable having
>>     in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in
>>     being
>>     the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm
>>     interested in having or intended to spur.
>>
>>     What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures
>>     that
>>     can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room
>>     can lend a hand.
>>
>>     --
>>     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>
>>     On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>>     > no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think
>>     for how at
>>     > risk you are for being hassled, and in what way.
>>     > I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females
>>     > will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded
>>     > American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three
>>     times you
>>     > were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your
>>     robbers
>>     > would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would
>>     not have
>>     > been robbed.
>>     >
>>     > I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.
>>     >
>>     > David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative
>>     safety from
>>     > mugging of black women and men?
>>     > I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun
>>     to rob
>>     > women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative
>>     safety of
>>     > black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they
>>     would be
>>     > safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't
>>     believe
>>     > that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other
>>     > black people.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey
>>     <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >     I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my
>>     >     intention to share an experience that better helped me
>>     understand
>>     >     motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic
>>     groups.
>>     >
>>     >     Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last
>>     question because
>>     >     it wrongly places focus elsewhere.
>>     >
>>     >     --
>>     >     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>     >
>>     >     On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:
>>     >     > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting
>>     anecdotes about
>>     >     > encountering black people in Oakland:  Let's not forget
>>     that there are
>>     >     > actually some on this list.  In fact, I'm one of them!
>>     >     >
>>     >     >
>>     >     > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey
>>     <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>
>>     >     > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote:
>>     >     >
>>     >     >     Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in
>>     his early 20s.
>>     >     >
>>     >     >     --
>>     >     >     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>     >     >
>>     >     >     On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>>     >     >     > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus
>>     when I
>>     >     lived in st
>>     >     >     > louis:
>>     >     >     > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street
>>     money, it
>>     >     >     ain't even
>>     >     >     > worth it."
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     > ps are you a boy or a girl?
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey
>>     >     <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>
>>     >     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>>
>>     >     >     > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>
>>     >     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>>     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>>     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>>>> wrote:
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of
>>     others
>>     >     is one
>>     >     >     of my
>>     >     >     >     favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles.
>>     The level of
>>     >     >     respect I
>>     >     >     >     show for differing perspectives is something I
>>     hope to
>>     >     never be
>>     >     >     >     content with, that is to say I believe it's an
>>     endless
>>     >     process
>>     >     >     and I'm
>>     >     >     >     still working on it. I have a tendency to keep
>>     my head
>>     >     stuck in
>>     >     >     >     projects and have realized is that I've been
>>     holding out on
>>     >     >     sharing
>>     >     >     >     many of my most valued perspectives, more
>>     specifically my
>>     >     >     experiences.
>>     >     >     >     It is my hope that through sharing experiences
>>     we can better
>>     >     >     >     understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo
>>     Room and how
>>     >     >     we Sudo
>>     >     >     >     Room can better conduct ourselves within our local
>>     >     community.
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some
>>     >     airport in New
>>     >     >     >     England, in search of hackers, activists and
>>     uncomfortable
>>     >     >     >     experiences. After subletting an apartment in the
>>     >     mission for
>>     >     >     all of a
>>     >     >     >     month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in
>>     Oakland
>>     >     I've been
>>     >     >     >     robbed three times, to me each experience has been
>>     >     indescribably
>>     >     >     >     educational in its own way. However, my first
>>     crime related
>>     >     >     experience
>>     >     >     >     in Oakland was not a crime at all.
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking
>>     >     distance from my
>>     >     >     >     apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy
>>     Times. To me
>>     >     it is
>>     >     >     usually
>>     >     >     >     a liquor store, but this day I felt like working
>>     through the
>>     >     >     night so
>>     >     >     >     I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home
>>     >     holding the
>>     >     >     >     redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two
>>     >     African-American
>>     >     >     >     youths, one female, one male and both no older
>>     than 17. We
>>     >     >     passed each
>>     >     >     >     other and at this time I was about 20" from home
>>     then from
>>     >     >     behind me I
>>     >     >     >     heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     I turned around to face the two of them with a
>>     bit of a
>>     >     guilty
>>     >     >     smile
>>     >     >     >     on my face, after all who the fuck really needs
>>     32oz of
>>     >     redbull?
>>     >     >     >     Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and
>>     I all
>>     >     get along
>>     >     >     >     swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone
>>     else get
>>     >     >     things done.
>>     >     >     >     "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it"
>>     in an
>>     >     attempt
>>     >     >     to make
>>     >     >     >     the situation more casual. I walked up and
>>     handed him the
>>     >     >     redbull, his
>>     >     >     >     face lit up, he went nuts.
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much
>>     better than
>>     >     stealing!"
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     The smile stayed on his face as he continued
>>     celebrating,
>>     >     >     exclaiming
>>     >     >     >     all possible iterations of the above statement as I
>>     >     stood their
>>     >     >     >     dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we
>>     parted
>>     >     ways,
>>     >     >     up the
>>     >     >     >     stairs and into the house I could still hear him
>>     talking
>>     >     with his
>>     >     >     >     friend.
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     This was certainly not the first time he'd been
>>     told of this
>>     >     >     >     sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the
>>     >     first time
>>     >     >     he had
>>     >     >     >     ever believed it. There are at least 3 other
>>     experiences I
>>     >     >     would like
>>     >     >     >     to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.
>>     >     >     >
>>     >     >     >     --
>>     >     >     >     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
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