[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]
AnimationAmber .
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Mon Nov 18 22:12:04 PST 2013
wait, huh? what does having kids or being under 22 have to do with crime?
on the surface that sounds really fucked up.
-amber
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
> oh.
>
> Guaranteed basic income, that does NOT increase if you have children. You
> receive it starting at, say, 22. No earlier.
>
> There are org.s that are working on advocating for it. I guess I should
> start volunteering more.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org> wrote:
>
>> There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public
>> mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable having
>> in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in being
>> the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm
>> interested in having or intended to spur.
>>
>> What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures that
>> can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room
>> can lend a hand.
>>
>> --
>> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>
>> On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> > no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for how at
>> > risk you are for being hassled, and in what way.
>> > I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females
>> > will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded
>> > American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three times you
>> > were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your robbers
>> > would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not have
>> > been robbed.
>> >
>> > I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.
>> >
>> > David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety from
>> > mugging of black women and men?
>> > I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to rob
>> > women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety of
>> > black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they would be
>> > safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't believe
>> > that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other
>> > black people.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my
>> > intention to share an experience that better helped me understand
>> > motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic groups.
>> >
>> > Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question
>> because
>> > it wrongly places focus elsewhere.
>> >
>> > --
>> > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>> >
>> > On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:
>> > > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting anecdotes
>> about
>> > > encountering black people in Oakland: Let's not forget that
>> there are
>> > > actually some on this list. In fact, I'm one of them!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey <
>> rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>> > > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his early
>> 20s.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>> > >
>> > > On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> > > > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus when I
>> > lived in st
>> > > > louis:
>> > > > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street money,
>> it
>> > > ain't even
>> > > > worth it."
>> > > >
>> > > > ps are you a boy or a girl?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey
>> > <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>> > > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>
>> > > > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>> > > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others
>> > is one
>> > > of my
>> > > > favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The
>> level of
>> > > respect I
>> > > > show for differing perspectives is something I hope to
>> > never be
>> > > > content with, that is to say I believe it's an endless
>> > process
>> > > and I'm
>> > > > still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my head
>> > stuck in
>> > > > projects and have realized is that I've been holding
>> out on
>> > > sharing
>> > > > many of my most valued perspectives, more specifically
>> my
>> > > experiences.
>> > > > It is my hope that through sharing experiences we can
>> better
>> > > > understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo Room
>> and how
>> > > we Sudo
>> > > > Room can better conduct ourselves within our local
>> > community.
>> > > >
>> > > > I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some
>> > airport in New
>> > > > England, in search of hackers, activists and
>> uncomfortable
>> > > > experiences. After subletting an apartment in the
>> > mission for
>> > > all of a
>> > > > month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland
>> > I've been
>> > > > robbed three times, to me each experience has been
>> > indescribably
>> > > > educational in its own way. However, my first crime
>> related
>> > > experience
>> > > > in Oakland was not a crime at all.
>> > > >
>> > > > There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking
>> > distance from my
>> > > > apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. To me
>> > it is
>> > > usually
>> > > > a liquor store, but this day I felt like working
>> through the
>> > > night so
>> > > > I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home
>> > holding the
>> > > > redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two
>> > African-American
>> > > > youths, one female, one male and both no older than 17.
>> We
>> > > passed each
>> > > > other and at this time I was about 20" from home then
>> from
>> > > behind me I
>> > > > heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".
>> > > >
>> > > > I turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a
>> > guilty
>> > > smile
>> > > > on my face, after all who the fuck really needs 32oz of
>> > redbull?
>> > > > Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I all
>> > get along
>> > > > swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone else
>> get
>> > > things done.
>> > > > "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" in an
>> > attempt
>> > > to make
>> > > > the situation more casual. I walked up and handed him
>> the
>> > > redbull, his
>> > > > face lit up, he went nuts.
>> > > >
>> > > > **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than
>> > stealing!"
>> > > >
>> > > > The smile stayed on his face as he continued
>> celebrating,
>> > > exclaiming
>> > > > all possible iterations of the above statement as I
>> > stood their
>> > > > dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we parted
>> > ways,
>> > > up the
>> > > > stairs and into the house I could still hear him talking
>> > with his
>> > > > friend.
>> > > >
>> > > > This was certainly not the first time he'd been told of
>> this
>> > > > sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the
>> > first time
>> > > he had
>> > > > ever believed it. There are at least 3 other
>> experiences I
>> > > would like
>> > > > to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
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