[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

AnimationAmber . amberyadaanimation at gmail.com
Mon Nov 18 22:12:04 PST 2013


wait, huh? what does having kids or being under 22 have to do with crime?
on the surface that sounds really fucked up.

-amber


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:

> oh.
>
> Guaranteed basic income, that does NOT increase if you have children. You
> receive it starting at, say, 22. No earlier.
>
> There are org.s that are working on advocating for it. I guess I should
> start volunteering more.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org> wrote:
>
>> There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public
>> mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable having
>> in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in being
>> the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm
>> interested in having or intended to spur.
>>
>> What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures that
>> can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room
>> can lend a hand.
>>
>> --
>> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>
>> On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> > no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for how at
>> > risk you are for being hassled, and in what way.
>> > I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females
>> > will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded
>> > American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three times you
>> > were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your robbers
>> > would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not have
>> > been robbed.
>> >
>> > I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.
>> >
>> > David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety from
>> > mugging of black women and men?
>> > I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to rob
>> > women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety of
>> > black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they would be
>> > safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't believe
>> > that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other
>> > black people.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my
>> >     intention to share an experience that better helped me understand
>> >     motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic groups.
>> >
>> >     Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question
>> because
>> >     it wrongly places focus elsewhere.
>> >
>> >     --
>> >     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>> >
>> >     On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:
>> >     > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting anecdotes
>> about
>> >     > encountering black people in Oakland:  Let's not forget that
>> there are
>> >     > actually some on this list.  In fact, I'm one of them!
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey <
>> rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>> >     > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     >     Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his early
>> 20s.
>> >     >
>> >     >     --
>> >     >     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>> >     >
>> >     >     On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>> >     >     > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus when I
>> >     lived in st
>> >     >     > louis:
>> >     >     > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street money,
>> it
>> >     >     ain't even
>> >     >     > worth it."
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > ps are you a boy or a girl?
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey
>> >     <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>> >     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>
>> >     >     > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
>> >     >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
>> >     <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote:
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others
>> >     is one
>> >     >     of my
>> >     >     >     favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The
>> level of
>> >     >     respect I
>> >     >     >     show for differing perspectives is something I hope to
>> >     never be
>> >     >     >     content with, that is to say I believe it's an endless
>> >     process
>> >     >     and I'm
>> >     >     >     still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my head
>> >     stuck in
>> >     >     >     projects and have realized is that I've been holding
>> out on
>> >     >     sharing
>> >     >     >     many of my most valued perspectives, more specifically
>> my
>> >     >     experiences.
>> >     >     >     It is my hope that through sharing experiences we can
>> better
>> >     >     >     understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo Room
>> and how
>> >     >     we Sudo
>> >     >     >     Room can better conduct ourselves within our local
>> >     community.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some
>> >     airport in New
>> >     >     >     England, in search of hackers, activists and
>> uncomfortable
>> >     >     >     experiences. After subletting an apartment in the
>> >     mission for
>> >     >     all of a
>> >     >     >     month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland
>> >     I've been
>> >     >     >     robbed three times, to me each experience has been
>> >     indescribably
>> >     >     >     educational in its own way. However, my first crime
>> related
>> >     >     experience
>> >     >     >     in Oakland was not a crime at all.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking
>> >     distance from my
>> >     >     >     apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. To me
>> >     it is
>> >     >     usually
>> >     >     >     a liquor store, but this day I felt like working
>> through the
>> >     >     night so
>> >     >     >     I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home
>> >     holding the
>> >     >     >     redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two
>> >     African-American
>> >     >     >     youths, one female, one male and both no older than 17.
>> We
>> >     >     passed each
>> >     >     >     other and at this time I was about 20" from home then
>> from
>> >     >     behind me I
>> >     >     >     heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     I turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a
>> >     guilty
>> >     >     smile
>> >     >     >     on my face, after all who the fuck really needs 32oz of
>> >     redbull?
>> >     >     >     Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I all
>> >     get along
>> >     >     >     swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone else
>> get
>> >     >     things done.
>> >     >     >     "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" in an
>> >     attempt
>> >     >     to make
>> >     >     >     the situation more casual. I walked up and handed him
>> the
>> >     >     redbull, his
>> >     >     >     face lit up, he went nuts.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than
>> >     stealing!"
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     The smile stayed on his face as he continued
>> celebrating,
>> >     >     exclaiming
>> >     >     >     all possible iterations of the above statement as I
>> >     stood their
>> >     >     >     dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we parted
>> >     ways,
>> >     >     up the
>> >     >     >     stairs and into the house I could still hear him talking
>> >     with his
>> >     >     >     friend.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     This was certainly not the first time he'd been told of
>> this
>> >     >     >     sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the
>> >     first time
>> >     >     he had
>> >     >     >     ever believed it. There are at least 3 other
>> experiences I
>> >     >     would like
>> >     >     >     to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.
>> >     >     >
>> >     >     >     --
>> >     >     >     -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
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