[sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]
rhodey
rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
Mon Nov 18 20:30:27 PST 2013
There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public
mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable having
in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in being
the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm
interested in having or intended to spur.
What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures that
can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room
can lend a hand.
--
-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
> no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for how at
> risk you are for being hassled, and in what way.
> I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females
> will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded
> American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three times you
> were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your robbers
> would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not have
> been robbed.
>
> I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.
>
> David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety from
> mugging of black women and men?
> I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to rob
> women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety of
> black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they would be
> safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't believe
> that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other
> black people.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>> wrote:
>
> I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my
> intention to share an experience that better helped me understand
> motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic groups.
>
> Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question because
> it wrongly places focus elsewhere.
>
> --
> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>
> On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:
> > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting anecdotes about
> > encountering black people in Oakland: Let's not forget that there are
> > actually some on this list. In fact, I'm one of them!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote:
> >
> > Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his early 20s.
> >
> > --
> > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
> >
> > On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
> > > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus when I
> lived in st
> > > louis:
> > > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street money, it
> > ain't even
> > > worth it."
> > >
> > > ps are you a boy or a girl?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey
> <rhodey at anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>
> > > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>
> > <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org
> <mailto:rhodey at anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others
> is one
> > of my
> > > favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The level of
> > respect I
> > > show for differing perspectives is something I hope to
> never be
> > > content with, that is to say I believe it's an endless
> process
> > and I'm
> > > still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my head
> stuck in
> > > projects and have realized is that I've been holding out on
> > sharing
> > > many of my most valued perspectives, more specifically my
> > experiences.
> > > It is my hope that through sharing experiences we can better
> > > understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo Room and how
> > we Sudo
> > > Room can better conduct ourselves within our local
> community.
> > >
> > > I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some
> airport in New
> > > England, in search of hackers, activists and uncomfortable
> > > experiences. After subletting an apartment in the
> mission for
> > all of a
> > > month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland
> I've been
> > > robbed three times, to me each experience has been
> indescribably
> > > educational in its own way. However, my first crime related
> > experience
> > > in Oakland was not a crime at all.
> > >
> > > There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking
> distance from my
> > > apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. To me
> it is
> > usually
> > > a liquor store, but this day I felt like working through the
> > night so
> > > I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home
> holding the
> > > redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two
> African-American
> > > youths, one female, one male and both no older than 17. We
> > passed each
> > > other and at this time I was about 20" from home then from
> > behind me I
> > > heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".
> > >
> > > I turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a
> guilty
> > smile
> > > on my face, after all who the fuck really needs 32oz of
> redbull?
> > > Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I all
> get along
> > > swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone else get
> > things done.
> > > "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" in an
> attempt
> > to make
> > > the situation more casual. I walked up and handed him the
> > redbull, his
> > > face lit up, he went nuts.
> > >
> > > **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than
> stealing!"
> > >
> > > The smile stayed on his face as he continued celebrating,
> > exclaiming
> > > all possible iterations of the above statement as I
> stood their
> > > dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we parted
> ways,
> > up the
> > > stairs and into the house I could still hear him talking
> with his
> > > friend.
> > >
> > > This was certainly not the first time he'd been told of this
> > > sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the
> first time
> > he had
> > > ever believed it. There are at least 3 other experiences I
> > would like
> > > to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
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