[sudo-discuss] {consensus?} IRC ownership

[Jenny Ryan]

As I said in my original reply, I was intending to post this consensus item
to the mailing list today - you just happened to bring it up first. Just
because I had time for the 2-hour meeting yesterday did not mean I had
extra hours to spend writing emails last night (I had to finish something
for work).

I see absolutely nothing secretive about this proposal that is currently up
for discussion on the mailing list until final consensus at next week's
meeting.

Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
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http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com

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-Laurie Anderson

"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
 -Hannah Arendt

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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:

> I have no interest in blocking any proposal.
> It does of course raise issues of voting and participation if consensus
> unanimity is the 8 people at Sudo Room last night who could stay late for a
> 2-hour meeting. But I'm sure we'll get to that with the revisiting
> membership discussions that was brought up in another thread.
>
> I was asking about what that was about because it was unclear from the
> minutes. Apparently, there's some back story that's all totally innocent
> and for the good of sudo room. i'm sure there is - but how can I know that?
> i think it's dangerous precedent to set that the modus operandi of Sudo
> Room meeting minutes is to include as little as possible to the public
> mailing list for reasons of liability concerns of the nominated Board
> members. I actually did go to the meeting physically and was one of about
> 15-20 of us that came in and out throughout the night. I had no idea that I
> did not stick around long enough (because it was past when I promised to be
> home) to participate in a consensus vote on a newly introduced agenda item
> regarding sole foundership of one of our main communication platforms.
>
> There is nothing about Marc in particular other than the appearance of
> conflict of interest, which is what Marc should ultimately be worrying
> about. I'm not trying to pick on him, it just seems that Marc finds himself
> in those situations when we're figuring out the kinks involving our checks
> and balances.
>
> How and when did our practices become so secretive and exclusive in our
> communications? Was it when the Board discussion finally came up? If so, I
> think it should be a problem addressed by the community rather than swept
> under the rug until everything gets finalized in Sacramento.
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> An IRC channel may have up to 4 founders, and as many ops as desired. We
> discussed this for awhile at the meeting, and unanimously agreed to give
> Marc foundership, at which point he can distribute op / foundership status
> to another trusted member, who can then grant op/foundership status in turn.
>
> Hopefully we can consense on this this week and have a final decision by
> the next meeting. It's good you bring this up on the mailing list now, as I
> was just about to do it. You're free to block this proposal and we can then
> discuss an alternative at the next meeting.
>
> Jenny
> http://jennyryan.net
> http://thepyre.org
> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>
> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> -Laurie Anderson
>
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
>  -Hannah Arendt
>
> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> -Stéphane Mallarmé
> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at sudoroom.tv> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I had to leave the meeting early - I missed some of the things that
>> came up after I left. Just noticed in the minutes the IRC owner
>> announcement. I'm not on IRC much so I haven't followed the moderation
>> control developments since they'd been discussed earlier on. I don't
>> remember what we agreed on, but I do remember there being preference for a
>> distributed moderation solution.
>>
>> - Can someone explain to me what it means that Marc should be 'the sole
>> founder of the IRC channel'?
>>
>> 4.5 extra bizness consensus motion: marc juul should be the sole founder
>> of our irc channel. 8 unanimous votes yes. 0 abstaining or voting nay. 5.
>> After- Meeting Teamups
>>
>>
>> Does this role also include final veto decision-making power over bans
>> and blocks on IRC?
>> Just trying to figure out what situations regarding the Board might pose
>> conflict of interest issues before they come up rather than after.
>>
>>
>> sent from eddan.com
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you remember after last week's meeting we were anxious because we were
>> $800 behind on rent. Now we have $5500 and are officially a Public Benefit
>> Nonprofit Corporation.
>> Let us take a moment to meditate on this week and the efforts of our
>> members.
>>
>> Minutes: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013-11-06
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