[sudo-discuss] there are no LPFM slots on the FM band in the bay area, period.

[Anthony Di Franco]

This sounds a lot like the mesh networking projects, which move away from
broadcasting as fundamental and rebase broadcasting in a peer-to-peer
context, and are already oriented the right ways technically and with
respect to regulations for those goals.
On Nov 4, 2013 11:31 AM, "David Keenan" <dkeenan44 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I find myself most sympathetic to Naomi's position -  although I do still
> think FM as a medium has some romance and cool left in it, I don't know
> that it's actually worth it, given the cost and effort.
>
> Completely naiive riffing follows, but -- since decentralizing information
> and the means of production are (for me) integral to freeing information /
> culture.. if one wanted to recolonize the airwaves, I wonder if it might be
> possible to simply distribute LPFM?
>
> Ie, give people a small appliance that transceives internet radio into
> LPFM or way lower-power radio, ie just for their block / neighborhood /
> whathaveyou.. A device that doesn't take a whole lot of power, that is
> innately not geographically bounded, and can become a diaspora of signal.
> And not necessarily legal but decentralized and dispersed.. if enough folks
> did this in aggregate in a given neighborhood or community, could that
> collectively function coverage-wise as a single relatively strong broadcast
> / antenna?
>
> Has anyone tried anything similar, or does this even make sense..?
>
> dreamin'
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>
>> agree on not having transmitter co-located with hq.  dropping repeaters
>> nearby can also prevent pinpointing by birds overhead.
>>
>> on Nov 03, 2013, *Naomi Most* <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dudes I was THERE managing tech for Pirate Cat went that all went
>> down. See also:
>>
>>
>> http://nthmost.com/2011/04/radio-valencia-the-little-radio-station-that-could/
>>
>> The major difference here to what was suggested above is that Pirate
>> Cat hosted its antenna in many many different places over the years.
>> We moved it every 3 months or so. And 95% of the membership didn't
>> know where it was.
>>
>> My point was to ask the question WHY put up the antenna at all.
>>
>> The return on investment for putting up an antenna -- particularly,
>> one physically located at the locus of control as opposed to offsite
>> somewhere like in a van or something -- is pretty abysmal.
>> Listenership to the airwaves continues to drop.
>>
>> If you decided to jam some corporate radio station, you'd be
>> implicating Sudo Room and the feds would come down on it sooner or
>> later.
>>
>> If you just wanted to squat some frequency in the lower band, you'd
>> have an abysmal listenership at the cost of the power of operating the
>> antenna.
>>
>> It's just not that compelling an exercise for the amount of risk.
>> Not for me, anyway. I guess a lot of people still feel that the
>> airwaves are somehow inherently exciting.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Gregg Horton <greggahorton at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > We agree on absolutely nothing so I abstain
>> >
>> > On Nov 3, 2013 5:17 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If someone or a group wants to propose or operate a radio station in an
>> >> act of peaceful civil disobedience, they should research the regs,
>> laws,
>> >> and potential penalties, and talk with an attorney who has represented
>> >> clients who have engaged in similar acts in the past. That would be a
>> >> project for a group that is not formally identical with SR.
>> >>
>> >> The most successful peaceful civil disobedience actions in the past
>> >> fifty years have been conducted by people who were not only
>> >> well-grounded in principles, but also had trained themselves in how to
>> >> interact in a peaceful and effective manner with all of the people they
>> >> would come into contact with, including law enforcement and government
>> >> officials. The civil rights movement and the Clamshell Alliance
>> >> anti-nuclear group are excellent examples to study, and much of their
>> >> material can be found online.
>> >>
>> >> All of that said, online/internet radio is still the fastest way to
>> >> reach an audience with no geographic limits or regulatory risks, and
>> >> spreading the word is easy. Linkage with other online broadcasters can
>> >> build up a seamless network with 24/7/365 coverage.
>> >>
>> >> To challenge the existing AM/FM broadcast status-quo, will inevitably
>> >> require challenging station licenses in order to re-capture spectrum.
>> >> And the best place to start is by challenging the crowding of spectrum
>> >> by multiple redundant right-wing religious broadcasters. The case for
>> >> it is clear and obvious in any area with strong cultural diversity, and
>> >> a win is a victory on multiple fronts.
>> >>
>> >> Under-thinking, rather than over-thinking, is the risk for failure.
>> >> Reaction is not action.
>> >>
>> >> -G
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> =====
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 13-11-03-Sun 4:39 PM, Jake wrote:
>> >> >>> Just put a big fucking antenna on the roof and start broadcasting,
>> if
>> >> >>> you don't, i will, god damnit.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Stop overthinking things and do it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why? So you can inflict a $20,000 fine on Sudo Room as quickly as
>> >> >> humanly possible?
>> >> >
>> >> > it takes a long time and a lot of work and listeners before you even
>> >> > get the ten-day warning, let alone an unenforcable fine. Don't forget
>> >> > that Berkeley Liberation Radio has been broadcasting for almost ten
>> >> > years now, interrupted more often by their own failures than by two
>> >> > FCC raids where the FCC basically snatched their equipment and fled
>> >> > like cowards.
>> >> >
>> >> > No one at BLR has ever been successfully "fined", and even the NAL
>> >> > (Notice of Apparent Liability) filed against Stephen Dunifer of FRB
>> >> > before them has just sat uncollected, like almost all NALs against
>> >> > pirates, for twenty years now. Stephen's very public response to the
>> >> > Notice of Apparent Liability was "Apparently not."
>> >> >
>> >> > The FCC's fine enforcement mechanism is to threaten to revoke your
>> >> > stations lisence. This works when they fine lisenced broadcasters for
>> >> > the seven deadly words or whatever, but filed against an unlisenced
>> >> > person it's a joke. Witness the fine against Daniel Robert of Pirate
>> >> > Cat Radio, which is an example of a person who put his full name all
>> >> > over everything and even corresponded with the FCC in the mail,
>> making
>> >> > it personal. They haven't even collected anything from him.
>> >> >
>> >> > here's the story of pirate cat's fine:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/10/fcc-fines-monkey-man-radio-pirate-10k-war-continues/
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The point is, if sudoroom decides as a group to broadcast a signal
>> >> > from the roof or wherever (we can stream over the internet you know)
>> >> > then sudoroom can decide for itself whether it wants to keep going
>> >> > after getting a "ten day notice to cease broadcasting" If that EVER
>> >> > happens.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html
>> >> >
>> >> > and if a broadcast is not coming from the building where sudoroom is,
>> >> > then it is not even a matter for sudoroom to have to decide on.
>> >> > Sudoroom can continue to have an internet streaming radio station and
>> >> > leave it at that.
>> >> >
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