[sudo-discuss] there are no LPFM slots on the FM band in the bay area, period.

Mon Nov 4 11:31:25 PST 2013

I find myself most sympathetic to Naomi's position -  although I do still
think FM as a medium has some romance and cool left in it, I don't know
that it's actually worth it, given the cost and effort.

Completely naiive riffing follows, but -- since decentralizing information
and the means of production are (for me) integral to freeing information /
culture.. if one wanted to recolonize the airwaves, I wonder if it might be
possible to simply distribute LPFM?

Ie, give people a small appliance that transceives internet radio into LPFM
or way lower-power radio, ie just for their block / neighborhood /
whathaveyou.. A device that doesn't take a whole lot of power, that is
innately not geographically bounded, and can become a diaspora of signal.
And not necessarily legal but decentralized and dispersed.. if enough folks
did this in aggregate in a given neighborhood or community, could that
collectively function coverage-wise as a single relatively strong broadcast
/ antenna?

Has anyone tried anything similar, or does this even make sense..?

dreamin'

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:

> agree on not having transmitter co-located with hq.  dropping repeaters
> nearby can also prevent pinpointing by birds overhead.
>
> on Nov 03, 2013, *Naomi Most* <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dudes I was THERE managing tech for Pirate Cat went that all went
> down. See also:
>
>
> http://nthmost.com/2011/04/radio-valencia-the-little-radio-station-that-could/
>
> The major difference here to what was suggested above is that Pirate
> Cat hosted its antenna in many many different places over the years.
> We moved it every 3 months or so. And 95% of the membership didn't
> know where it was.
>
> My point was to ask the question WHY put up the antenna at all.
>
> The return on investment for putting up an antenna -- particularly,
> one physically located at the locus of control as opposed to offsite
> somewhere like in a van or something -- is pretty abysmal.
> Listenership to the airwaves continues to drop.
>
> If you decided to jam some corporate radio station, you'd be
> implicating Sudo Room and the feds would come down on it sooner or
> later.
>
> If you just wanted to squat some frequency in the lower band, you'd
> have an abysmal listenership at the cost of the power of operating the
> antenna.
>
> It's just not that compelling an exercise for the amount of risk.
> Not for me, anyway. I guess a lot of people still feel that the
> airwaves are somehow inherently exciting.
>
> --Naomi
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Gregg Horton <greggahorton at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We agree on absolutely nothing so I abstain
> >
> > On Nov 3, 2013 5:17 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> If someone or a group wants to propose or operate a radio station in an
> >> act of peaceful civil disobedience, they should research the regs, laws,
> >> and potential penalties, and talk with an attorney who has represented
> >> clients who have engaged in similar acts in the past. That would be a
> >> project for a group that is not formally identical with SR.
> >>
> >> The most successful peaceful civil disobedience actions in the past
> >> fifty years have been conducted by people who were not only
> >> well-grounded in principles, but also had trained themselves in how to
> >> interact in a peaceful and effective manner with all of the people they
> >> would come into contact with, including law enforcement and government
> >> officials. The civil rights movement and the Clamshell Alliance
> >> anti-nuclear group are excellent examples to study, and much of their
> >> material can be found online.
> >>
> >> All of that said, online/internet radio is still the fastest way to
> >> reach an audience with no geographic limits or regulatory risks, and
> >> spreading the word is easy. Linkage with other online broadcasters can
> >> build up a seamless network with 24/7/365 coverage.
> >>
> >> To challenge the existing AM/FM broadcast status-quo, will inevitably
> >> require challenging station licenses in order to re-capture spectrum.
> >> And the best place to start is by challenging the crowding of spectrum
> >> by multiple redundant right-wing religious broadcasters. The case for
> >> it is clear and obvious in any area with strong cultural diversity, and
> >> a win is a victory on multiple fronts.
> >>
> >> Under-thinking, rather than over-thinking, is the risk for failure.
> >> Reaction is not action.
> >>
> >> -G
> >>
> >>
> >> =====
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13-11-03-Sun 4:39 PM, Jake wrote:
> >> >>> Just put a big fucking antenna on the roof and start broadcasting,
> if
> >> >>> you don't, i will, god damnit.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Stop overthinking things and do it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why? So you can inflict a $20,000 fine on Sudo Room as quickly as
> >> >> humanly possible?
> >> >
> >> > it takes a long time and a lot of work and listeners before you even
> >> > get the ten-day warning, let alone an unenforcable fine. Don't forget
> >> > that Berkeley Liberation Radio has been broadcasting for almost ten
> >> > years now, interrupted more often by their own failures than by two
> >> > FCC raids where the FCC basically snatched their equipment and fled
> >> > like cowards.
> >> >
> >> > No one at BLR has ever been successfully "fined", and even the NAL
> >> > (Notice of Apparent Liability) filed against Stephen Dunifer of FRB
> >> > before them has just sat uncollected, like almost all NALs against
> >> > pirates, for twenty years now. Stephen's very public response to the
> >> > Notice of Apparent Liability was "Apparently not."
> >> >
> >> > The FCC's fine enforcement mechanism is to threaten to revoke your
> >> > stations lisence. This works when they fine lisenced broadcasters for
> >> > the seven deadly words or whatever, but filed against an unlisenced
> >> > person it's a joke. Witness the fine against Daniel Robert of Pirate
> >> > Cat Radio, which is an example of a person who put his full name all
> >> > over everything and even corresponded with the FCC in the mail, making
> >> > it personal. They haven't even collected anything from him.
> >> >
> >> > here's the story of pirate cat's fine:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/10/fcc-fines-monkey-man-radio-pirate-10k-war-continues/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The point is, if sudoroom decides as a group to broadcast a signal
> >> > from the roof or wherever (we can stream over the internet you know)
> >> > then sudoroom can decide for itself whether it wants to keep going
> >> > after getting a "ten day notice to cease broadcasting" If that EVER
> >> > happens.
> >> >
> >> > http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html
> >> >
> >> > and if a broadcast is not coming from the building where sudoroom is,
> >> > then it is not even a matter for sudoroom to have to decide on.
> >> > Sudoroom can continue to have an internet streaming radio station and
> >> > leave it at that.
> >> >
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