[sudo-discuss] temporary email suspensions

Sat Nov 2 22:17:27 PDT 2013

Thanks for the input, Rachel. That sounds like a more appropriate action.

I've flipped Giovanni's mod bit. It's now up to list admins to allow
messages to pass through, or reverse my decision back to a ban or full list
privileges.

Anyone who feels strongly about this is welcome to bring it up at a weekly
meeting.

Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com

`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
 "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson

"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
 -Hannah Arendt

"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Rachel.
> Mailman people - Are we still banning Giovanni from the Sudo Room mailing
> list?
> Can we instead activate the moderation feature now that the party is over?
>
> How long are we planning to ban all Yandex addresses for?
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't mailman have a feature where a user can be put into moderation?
>  Separate from the whole list being moderated.
> >
> > Rachel1.0 (lurker with a bit of list management experience)
> >
> > On 10/31/13 1:36 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
> >> Perhaps we can institute a "TRO-l bloc" action, with priorly agreed upon
> >> parameters.
> >>
> >> Law folks call stopping someone from doing something before everyone's
> >> gotten a chance to get a good handle on what's going on, most
> >> importantly a judge - a temporary restraining order (TRO) or preliminary
> >> injunction. So TRO-listserv (or TRO-l) could have some settled upon
> >> period and parameters by which it can be instituted without
> >> consensus-taking. When talking about speech and code though, the rise of
> >> (usually entertainment) company calls for shutting down websites
> >> immediately amounts to "Prior Restraint" - which often seems draconian
> >> especially to free speech/open culture advocates. The standard for doing
> >> something that would amount to a prior restraint would then be stricter
> >> for an action to be taken and require more checks and balances as a
> result.
> >>
> >> Excuse the long-winded way about it - but I think this lens helps me at
> >> least tease out what may have been bothering some people on the list
> >> about how action was taken in solving the problem.
> >>
> >> Not sure how Holacracy! deals with it yet. And unfortunately not going
> >> to be able to make this next workshop they're hosting.
> >>
> >> On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:tunabananas at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> For the record, the action was taken by three people - myself, Matt,
> >>> and Marc when we were at sudo late last night working on things (such
> >>> as this weekend's event). All three of us have access to the listserv
> >>> and regularly moderate the bounces, mailman errors, etc. Matt sent
> >>> Giovanni a private email informing him that he'd been removed from the
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> I entirely support the suspension of someone who's not only been
> >>> spamming the list, but has been defacing Noisebridge's wiki and
> >>> posting messages such as the following:
> >>>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/039832.html
> >>>
> >>> Banning someone from a mailing list is *not* the same as banning them
> >>> from the physical community; it's a preservation mode so we don't
> >>> receive a bevy of heartbreaking unsubscribe requests. And we are also
> >>> hoping people can come together this weekend and support Sudo Room in
> >>> person - though many of you may have missed those posts in the barrage.
> >>>
> >>> Jenny
> >>> http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/>
> >>> http://thepyre.org <http://thepyre.org/>
> >>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/>
> >>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/>
> >>>
> >>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> >>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> >>> -Laurie Anderson
> >>>
> >>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
> >>> it."
> >>> -Hannah Arendt
> >>>
> >>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> >>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
> >>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lovelle Mixon <sudoroom at ilovebeer.ca
> >>> <mailto:sudoroom at ilovebeer.ca>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>    Running a listserv is a completely thankless job.
> >>>
> >>>    You're just witnessing how giovanni_re/john fastmail/john/john
> >>>    regan works.  I don't think
> >>>    he's a bad person.  He's not assaulting anyone.  He is genuinely
> >>>    excited about computers
> >>>    and Linux and communities and free software.  His usual mode is he
> >>>    joins a free culture/
> >>>    community/open source software community mailing list, and then
> >>>    every few months or so
> >>>    starts cross posting interesting links or forwarding emails from
> >>>    one list to the other,
> >>>    no editing, just WHAM here read email from this other place, not
> >>>    realizing that if someone
> >>>    wants to read email from the other mailing list, they would just
> >>>    JOIN that mailing list,
> >>>    no need to forward it.  He's been doing this for over 10 years.
> >>>     He'll be doing it
> >>>    long after sudoroom is gone.
> >>>
> >>>    You usually don't notice what's happening because he's on a LOT of
> >>>    mailing lists, and annoying
> >>>    each of the mailing lists is a lot of work, so he doesn't get
> >>>    around to forwarding stuff
> >>>    to your mailing list until about a month in the cycle.
> >>>
> >>>    Sometimes he gets super excited about something ( RADIO! ) and
> >>>    starts concentrating on
> >>>    your particular community, and boom you get the 10 emails in 1
> >>>    hour problem you just saw.
> >>>
> >>>    Unknown how to properly deal with him.  People don't join his list
> >>>    BerkeleyTIP so he feels
> >>>    the need to branch out.  Personally, I think it would help if he
> >>>    fixed the links on his site
> >>>    that are broken and updated and are over 4 years old now.   That
> >>>    would be a great start.
> >>>
> >>>    John, you have a perfectly good wiki over on BerkeleyTIP.  You
> >>>    could update it with spectrum FCC
> >>>    radio announcements.  You've been trying to get inspire
> >>>    Noisebridge and Sudoroom to grab
> >>>    some spectrum of their own.  Getting your website in order would
> >>>    be a good start.
> >>>
> >>>    Best
> >>>
> >>>    Lovelle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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