[sudo-discuss] Dystopia News: No-Sex Apartments.

[Sonja Trauss]

I'm trying to help you duh! Lol

On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:

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> The dumb thing about saying "the dumb thing about this thread," is that in
> the time it takes to complain about someone else's use of recycled
> electrons, one could have ignored the thread entirely, or done some other
> productive task, rather than telling the author of the thread what task
> they should have been doing instead.
>
> If I'm not interested in a topic, I just don't read that topic, or thread,
> or whatever.
>
> And one of the key reasons that rents are so high, is that a state
> legislator from somewhere in 925 managed to pass, about 15 years ago, a
> state bill that effectively wiped out rent control.  Getting him voted out
> of office would be good retaliation (better late than never) if he's still
> around, but introducing a ballot measure to re-establish rent control would
> be even better.  That will also take some of the speculative pressure off
> the finite supply of land.  Ultimately what's going to be needed is some
> kind of comprehensive land reform, prohibiting speculation and the
> mechanisms that feed it.  Another topic for another day.
>
> -G.
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> On 13-05-21-Tue 7:19 AM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
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> The dumb thing about this thread is that in the time it took to write any
> of the multiple paragraph emails, the author could have looked to see
> whether there are any organizations in SF (or berkeley) lobbying to make
> building new housing housing easier.
>
>  Whether or not you can have a relationship in a single bed is
> irrelevant. Everyone agrees here, rent is too damn high. Part of the cause
> of this is artificially limited supply.
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Georgio510 wrote:
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> Re. Romy-
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> Yes, apts in HK and Tokyo are small, but not so small that you can't have
> a double bed and a dinner table (Tokyo apts even have space for small
> washing machines & small wall-mounted dryers).  And in any case, Japan has
> a decent social safety net, something we shredded starting with Reagan.
>
> If you're interested, I can show you some floorplans I've created for
> micro living spaces.  The stuff I designed is geared toward the
> hacker/maker lifestyle with a strong emphasis on sustainability.  I'd
> happily live in a tiny space of my own making, but not a developer's design
> that can't be hacked or modded and is geared toward the media-consumption
> lifestyle.
>
> Agreed, the large houses Americans have had for the past century or so are
> ridiculous, not to mention _lawns_.  But there's a difference between a
> wasteful 4,000 square foot suburban sprawl, and an apartment that's smaller
> than a camping trailer.
>
> Something else about those tiny apartments: if your best friend loses
> his/her job, s/he can't sleep on your couch when there's no room for a
> couch.  Sleeping on the floor in the tiny aisle next to your bed gets old
> after about the second time s/he gets stepped on when you get out of bed at
> night to go to the bathroom.
>
> The Oligarchy likes to have it both ways:  Big houses for people who can
> afford to buy more stuff.  Prison-sized apartments for people who can't.
> Increase the class divide: more at the top, less at the bottom.
>
> The profit motive for those prison-sized apartments is that developers get
> more per square foot.  $750 for 200 square feet translates to $3.75 per
> square foot.  Contrast to $2,000 for 800 square feet, which translates to
> $2.50 per square foot.
>
> See how that works?  Fifty percent increase in price per square foot.
> Clever racket, eh?
>
> Decrease in cars is a factor of available public transport for the hours
> and places needed.  Someone who works the late shift across the Bay and
> comes home after BART stops running, is probably going to end up with a
> car, even if they have to play parking space roulette every day.  BART
> running 24/7 would do more to decrease car commuting in the Bay Area, than
> squeezing people into shoe-boxes.
>
> Larger apartments mean you have more choices as to how you live and who
> you live with.  Smaller apartments mean fewer choices.  Again, we're not
> talking about multi-thousand-square-foot sprawl, but about having enough
> space for someone to choose whether to live alone or with a friend, or
> offer their couch to an unemployed friend, or the options available for
> single parents with kids who are toddlers or older.
>
> 200 square feet also means you can't telecommute or telework, because
> there's not enough space for even a small desk for a computer.  Using a
> tablet while sitting on the edge of the bed gets old real fast too.  And
> forget about modifying the space in any way: those places are like hotel
> rooms, no user modifications or space hacks allowed.  What's important is
> _choice_.  The choice to work and play at home sometimes, and in communal
> space sometimes.
>
> How these neo boarding houses are worse than work lofts: for one thing,
> you can't work there.  And no space for a kitchen table, so forget about
> inviting friends over for dinner.  No space for anything that involves
> having more than on
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