[sudo-discuss] revolutionaries and the creation of new language

[Alcides Gutierrez]

I'd like to re-enter "allow" vs. the "persuade." I believe philosophies
should not be forced upon people. Instead, I think its more awesome to
invite someone into your home and see how you live vs. urging lifestyles
onto others. Your guests can adopt what they want. This may increase the
chance of failure, but may also increase the chance of free will for
whatever audience. I believe thats a good thing.

I dont think working to change language, protocols, or social structures is
a bad idea -IF- the developers are mindful to 'allow' people to adopt what
they want and not 'persuade' people to follow their lead.

Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On May 9, 2013 12:52 AM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:

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> Romy, Yos-
>
> Good example.  Also an example of what happens when power is wielded
> without checks & balances, by people who are so enamored of a theory that
> it obscures the real world.
>
> The Khmer Rough also routinely slaughtered or interned & tortured anyone
> found wearing glasses, because they believed that glasses were a sign of an
> attempt to assert status by the intellectual and technical classes.  But
> the fact is that by middle age, almost all men and probably at least a
> majority of women require the use of glasses to read and perform other
> short-distance visual tasks.  That inconvenient fact didn't get in the way
> of the Khmer Rouge's theory.
>
> Everyone reading this email is a member of the "intellectual and technical
> class," even if a large plurality of us are living on working class income
> or less.  And the vast majority of us are going to live long enough to need
> glasses.  Fortunately none of us has the power to compel any of us to use
> words a certain way, even though we can & do argue (as peers) about that.
>
> -G.
>
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> On 13-05-08-Wed 10:21 PM, Romy Ilano wrote:
>
> There is a yin and a yang to everything.
>
>  Here are a few examples of the "dark side" of reshaping language...
>
>
> I've read a lot of history about the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the
> Cambodian Khmer Rouge... these groups were very interested in reforming a
> corrupt society, finding new ways of doing things. They are not shining
> examples but I can say that their intentions started out pure.
>
>
>
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Establishing_the_Constitution_of_Democratic_Kampuchea
>
>  On the surface, society in Democratic Kampuchea was strictly egalitarian<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarian>.
> The Khmer language <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_language>, like
> many in Southeast Asia, has a complex system of usages to define speakers'
> rank and social status. These usages were abandoned. People were encouraged
> to call each other "friend", or "comrade" (in Khmer, មិត្ដ mitt), and to
> avoid traditional signs of deference such as bowing or folding the hands in
> salutation.
>
> Language was transformed in other ways. The Khmer Rouge invented new
> terms. People were told they must "forge" (*lot dam*) a new revolutionary
> character, that they were the "instruments" (*opokar*) of the Angkar, and
> that nostalgia for pre-revolutionary times (*chheu satek arom*, or
> "memory sickness") could result in their receiving Angkar's "invitation" to
> be deindustrialised and to live in a concentration camp.
>
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