[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

Sun May 5 01:02:59 PDT 2013

Then what is porn for?
On May 5, 2013 12:43 AM, "Andrew" <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:

> Sonja,
>
> I disagree with your views on masturbation. For one, I don't think that
> masturbation causes people to have less sex. Here's a study a found by
> googling I'm sure there is more data to back up the fact that masturbation
> does not reduce the amount of sex someone is having.
>
>
> http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/womens-health/articles/2011/08/01/study-tracks-masturbation-trends-among-us-teens
>
> It is also just, in general a healthy practice.
>
> second, I can masturbate without porn, and with porn (as can most people).
>
> I really believe that part of being sex positive is also being accepting
> of masturbation as natural and healthy.
>
> --Andrew
>
>
>
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> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah .... so what if you didn't have anything, and you couldn't
>> concentrate. Would you give up? Maybe the first day. Maybe even the 2nd
>> day, but eventually you would be able to masterbate on your own I bet.
>>
>> I'm a girl and never encountered very much porn I liked at all. I *guess*
>> a solution could be to make porn a girl would like, but my solution was to
>> have sex instead, which has been overall great. It's forced me to get in
>> contact, and stay in contact, with people I otherwise wouldn't have. Making
>> porn that girls like, so they can join men in having an activity that
>> allows them to have less sex, seems antisocial and a step backwards.
>> Yeah the more I think about this the more absurd it seems that a crowd
>> that is interested in expanding the audience for porn would overlap with a
>> 'do-acracy' hackerspace crowd. Watching porn is watching, not doing.
>> On May 4, 2013 7:53 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while masturbating.
>>> Masturbating being a natural part of life. I also dont think that all
>>> people who can have sex with others, but don't , are doing so because they
>>> don't have the "skills"
>>> On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn
>>>> for?
>>>> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to
>>>>> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and
>>>>> male and female strippers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two
>>>>> genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is.
>>>>> Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of
>>>>> that, taken as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this
>>>>> perspective and representation of sex and there needs to be more.
>>>>> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
>>>>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Romy & Yo's-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before
>>>>>>> (OTOH
>>>>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my
>>>>>>> attention),
>>>>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
>>>>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
>>>>>>> (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the
>>>>>>> creepy
>>>>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
>>>>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
>>>>>>> method is used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
>>>>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no
>>>>>>> cue
>>>>>>> for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it
>>>>>>> either:
>>>>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are
>>>>>>> missing,
>>>>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
>>>>>>> could be a life-threatening illness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is
>>>>>>> loose in
>>>>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
>>>>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
>>>>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case
>>>>>>> photography
>>>>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>>>>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -G.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>>>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a
>>>>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces
>>>>>>> cut off
>>>>>>> > American apparel digs this etc
>>>>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show
>>>>>>> men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the
>>>>>>> male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the
>>>>>>> Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPad
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