[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

[Andrew]

People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while masturbating.
Masturbating being a natural part of life. I also dont think that all
people who can have sex with others, but don't , are doing so because they
don't have the "skills"
On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for?
> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com> wrote:
>
>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to balence
>> genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and male and
>> female strippers.
>>
>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders.
>> In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is
>> mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken
>> as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and
>> representation of sex and there needs to be more.
>> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Romy & Yo's-
>>>>
>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
>>>>
>>>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before (OTOH
>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention),
>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
>>>> (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the creepy
>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.
>>>>
>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't want
>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially different
>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would be
>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
>>>> method is used.
>>>>
>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no cue
>>>> for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it either:
>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing,
>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with
>>>> someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we have
>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to get
>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
>>>> could be a life-threatening illness.
>>>>
>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in
>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a
>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case photography
>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't just
>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
>>>>
>>>> -G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a
>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces cut
>>>> off
>>>> > American apparel digs this etc
>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this
>>>> >
>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show men's
>>>> bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the male body
>>>> as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and
>>>> unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPad
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