[sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

[Sonja Trauss]

Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for?
On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at vagabondballroom.com> wrote:

> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to balence
> genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and male and
> female strippers.
>
> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders. In
> my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is mostly
> filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken as a
> whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and
> representation of sex and there needs to be more.
> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?
>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Romy & Yo's-
>>>
>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."
>>>
>>> Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before (OTOH
>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention),
>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.
>>>
>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
>>> (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the creepy
>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.
>>>
>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't want
>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially different
>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would be
>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
>>> method is used.
>>>
>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no cue
>>> for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it either:
>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing,
>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with
>>> someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we have
>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to get
>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
>>> could be a life-threatening illness.
>>>
>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in
>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a
>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case photography
>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't just
>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a
>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces cut
>>> off
>>> > American apparel digs this etc
>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this
>>> >
>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show men's
>>> bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the male body
>>> as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and
>>> unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPad
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