[sudo-discuss] cuddling it
netdiva
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Fri May 3 18:47:30 PDT 2013
I am really not interested in this topic any longer; the irony of preparing for the full swing of powwow season while getting helpful tips on understanding western concepts of "civilization" and the "noble savage" was quite overwhelming for me.
On 5/3/2013 5:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
> I think you all really nailed it.
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> On May 3, 2013 3:44 PM, "Anthony Di Franco" <di.franco at gmail.com <mailto:di.franco at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Allow me to provide a walkthrough then.
> To be civilized is, here, to be part of a settled society with an elite that controls distribution of resources, social standing, and everything else it can, and therefore to give up one's own capacity to provide for oneself among peers those things, which includes giving up the use of violence to a caste approved by the elite to use violence only for ends compatible with its own. It can be contrasted with different flavors of being a barbarian, and my favorite way of doing this is Venkat Rao's here <http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/03/10/the-return-of-the-barbarian/>, which among many other things sheds some light on the broader significance of the rise of hackerspaces, I think.
> According to wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage>, "The term *noble savage* (French, /bon sauvage/) expresses the concept of an idealized indigene, outsider, or "other <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other>" and refers to the literary stock character <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_character>."
> As lamented by Common in I Used to Love H.E.R <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99iG4HoO1c>, playing to the not-so-noble-savage character of the violent, misogynist gangster to win the patronage of both elites psychologically craving a shadow other to project their own sins onto, and to subclasses craving the free exercise of their natural powers that they have given up in the process of becoming civilized that is perversely represented by the symbol of elite power and privilege projected onto the noble savage, is a key part of the story of the co-optation of hip-hop culture into the mainstream.
> So, of course, I have no reservations about saying such a thing in public.
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> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:22 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
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> Not rhetorical enough, but I'll leave this here for now.
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> On 5/3/2013 3:18 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
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> No worries. My response was a rhetorical answer.
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> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>>> wrote:
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> Dont worry, that was really just a rhetorical question.
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> On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
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> Of course.
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> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>>>> wrote:
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> Â Â Did you actually just say this in public?
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> Â Â On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
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> Â Â Â Â Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the things it sets itself
> Â Â Â Â apart from and gives up and projects on its image of the noble savage
> Â Â Â Â though?
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> Â Â Â Â Your description seems more like meditatively flowing through it.
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> Â Â Â Â On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>>>
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> Â Â Â Â Here I was thinking "killing it" was just another example of
> Â Â Â Â appropriation of african american vernacular by the mainstream.
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> Â Â Â Â On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote:
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> Â Â Â Â "killing it" is a recently popular term to denote excellence and
> Â Â Â Â immense progress. it has a violent, forceful connotation.
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> Â Â Â Â friends in the circus community - through empirical evidence - have
> Â Â Â Â established a belief that operating at the highest levels of talent
> Â Â Â Â requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus, a better term, which
> Â Â Â Â they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling it."
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> Â Â Â Â thought sudoers would appreciate this.
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> Â Â Â Â cuddling it,
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> Â Â Â Â -- len
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