[sudo-discuss] cuddling it

Fri May 3 17:39:58 PDT 2013

But not to be lost in the discussion, and, in fact, most critical, is the value in multitudes, in variance, and in solidarity, based upon empathy and mutual understanding. This in resistance to dominant patterns of division and subsequent conquest. Therefore I claim scrutiny over cultural and linguistic appropriation remains relevant and crucial to recognize in context of mutual respect rather than a laissez-faire attitude.

What I mean is, let's try not to muddle it, but certainly cuddle it.

// Matt

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From: "Anthony Di Franco" <di.franco at gmail.com>
To: "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01 at att.net>
Cc: ",sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] cuddling it
Date: Fri, May 3, 2013 5:19 PM
That is all quite interesting and adds a lot of texture to the discussion.

And so is the question of the phrase "killer app" interesting. Consonant with an existential struggle among companies to achieve a position of oligarch in a crony capitalist market by killing off the competition once and for all and salting the earth they ate from with regulations and collusions so nothing will ever grow there again.

Though, I don't know how to limit things to a subculture supposed to be our own since we are all part of and relate to many different cultures, without necessarily any universal common thread, and the idea of creating fiefdoms of discourse based on arbitrary dualistic in-group-out-group distinctions is unappealing anyway.

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net> wrote:

Yo's-

None the less, useful to explore. 

As I understand the history of this:  

The word "savage" is the English adaptation of the French word
"sauvage" that originally meant "forest-dweller."  At the time of
early European settlement in North America, the practice in Europe
was that only members of the nobility had the privilege of hunting
in the forests: "commoners" (that would be us) were forbidden from
doing so, often under penalty of death. 

The Europeans who settled in North America were highly surprised to
see that no such restriction existed among the Native peoples: any
and all tribe members hunted freely in the woods.  

The phrase "noble savage" originally referred to this: the idea that
ordinary tribe members had what in Europe was a special privilege of
the nobility, the freedom to hunt in the woods.  The European
settlers envied the First Nations peoples for having a privilege
that they themselves did not have.

The dynamic is quite real to this day, of city-dwellers' envy of
rural peoples, and industrial-culture peoples' envy of
hunter-gatherer peoples.  It's a generalization of "the grass is
always greener in the other person's yard."  It works both ways:
every axis of contrast between someone's own circumstances and
someone else's circumstances can become grounds for comparisons that
may risk turning invidious in some way.  And once that process gets
started, it opens the door to all manner of psychodynamic smog.  

So about "killing it":

Seems to me that if we're concerned about (whatever issue), and we
run across examples that may be entangled with
racial/ethnic/religious/gender/etc. issues, the best thing to do is
to stick to examples that come squarely from within our own
subculture.  

And what's the most frequent example of embedded violent language in
geek/nerd/maker/hacker culture? 

How'bout "killer app"?  Let's start with that one. 

-G.

(Back under the correct address now; thanks to all who helped fix
that.)

On 13-05-03-Fri 3:18 PM, Anthony Di
Franco wrote:

No worries. My response was a rhetorical
answer.

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva
<netdiva at sonic.net>
wrote:

Dont
worry, that was really just a rhetorical question.

On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:

Of course.

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:

    Did you actually just say this in public?

    On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:

        Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the
things it sets itself

        apart from and gives up and projects on its
image of the noble savage

        though?

        Your description seems more like meditatively
flowing through it.

        On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>

        <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net
<mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>>>
wrote:

        Here I was thinking "killing it" was just
another example of

        appropriation of african american vernacular by
the mainstream.

        On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote:

        "killing it" is a recently popular term to
denote excellence and

        immense progress. it has a violent, forceful
connotation.

        friends in the circus community - through
empirical evidence - have

        established a belief that operating at the
highest levels of talent

        requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus,
a better term, which

        they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling
it."

        thought sudoers would appreciate this.

        cuddling it,

        -- len

        founder, ligertail http://ligertail.com

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