[sudo-discuss] cuddling it
Anthony Di Franco
di.franco at gmail.com
Fri May 3 17:19:02 PDT 2013
That is all quite interesting and adds a lot of texture to the discussion.
And so is the question of the phrase "killer app" interesting. Consonant
with an existential struggle among companies to achieve a position of
oligarch in a crony capitalist market by killing off the competition once
and for all and salting the earth they ate from with regulations and
collusions so nothing will ever grow there again.
Though, I don't know how to limit things to a subculture supposed to be our
own since we are all part of and relate to many different cultures, without
necessarily any universal common thread, and the idea of creating fiefdoms
of discourse based on arbitrary dualistic in-group-out-group distinctions
is unappealing anyway.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net>wrote:
>
> Yo's-
>
> None the less, useful to explore.
>
> As I understand the history of this:
>
> The word "savage" is the English adaptation of the French word "sauvage"
> that originally meant "forest-dweller." At the time of early European
> settlement in North America, the practice in Europe was that only members
> of the nobility had the privilege of hunting in the forests: "commoners"
> (that would be us) were forbidden from doing so, often under penalty of
> death.
>
> The Europeans who settled in North America were highly surprised to see
> that no such restriction existed among the Native peoples: any and all
> tribe members hunted freely in the woods.
>
> The phrase "noble savage" originally referred to this: the idea that
> ordinary tribe members had what in Europe was a special privilege of the
> nobility, the freedom to hunt in the woods. The European settlers envied
> the First Nations peoples for having a privilege that they themselves did
> not have.
>
> The dynamic is quite real to this day, of city-dwellers' envy of rural
> peoples, and industrial-culture peoples' envy of hunter-gatherer peoples.
> It's a generalization of "the grass is always greener in the other person's
> yard." It works both ways: every axis of contrast between someone's own
> circumstances and someone else's circumstances can become grounds for
> comparisons that may risk turning invidious in some way. And once that
> process gets started, it opens the door to all manner of psychodynamic
> smog.
>
> So about "killing it":
>
> Seems to me that if we're concerned about (whatever issue), and we run
> across examples that may be entangled with
> racial/ethnic/religious/gender/etc. issues, the best thing to do is to
> stick to examples that come squarely from within our own subculture.
>
> And what's the most frequent example of embedded violent language in
> geek/nerd/maker/hacker culture?
>
> How'bout "killer app"? Let's start with that one.
>
> -G.
>
> (Back under the correct address now; thanks to all who helped fix that.)
>
>
>
>
> On 13-05-03-Fri 3:18 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
>
> No worries. My response was a rhetorical answer.
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net> wrote:
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>> Dont worry, that was really just a rhetorical question.
>>
>>
>> On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
>>
>>> Of course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:
>>> netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you actually just say this in public?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the things it sets
>>> itself
>>> apart from and gives up and projects on its image of the noble
>>> savage
>>> though?
>>>
>>> Your description seems more like meditatively flowing through it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net<mailto:
>>> netdiva at sonic.net>
>>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here I was thinking "killing it" was just another example of
>>> appropriation of african american vernacular by the mainstream.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote:
>>>
>>> "killing it" is a recently popular term to denote excellence and
>>> immense progress. it has a violent, forceful connotation.
>>>
>>> friends in the circus community - through empirical evidence -
>>> have
>>> established a belief that operating at the highest levels of
>>> talent
>>> requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus, a better term,
>>> which
>>> they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling it."
>>>
>>> thought sudoers would appreciate this.
>>>
>>> cuddling it,
>>>
>>> -- len
>>>
>>> founder, ligertail http://ligertail.com
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