[sudo-discuss] Governance in meetings

[Romy Ilano]

I actually see a little need to discuss rules and so on. Look at the hippie California cult leader sal from the book the beach 


I think it's humorous though that most people don't know what's going on. Maybe we can turn it into performance art with a dance groupe enacting a 2/3 vote. 

I started making diagrams ... Perhaps this can be a painting 

I'm not making fun of it but I'm realizing its part of an ongoing ritual and will someday become a tradition and a ceremony . 

Did not Ukrainian folk dance come in part from repetitive work of harvesting the fields?

We can sing and dance to the governance rules and make puppets and maybe even start playing grind core 


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Romy Ilano
Founder of Snowyla
http://www.snowyla.com
romy at snowyla.com

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>   1. Adeline House is looking for a new Housemate
>      (Morten H. D. Fuglsang)
>   2.  "Skunk" topic cont'd: better tech & better usage (Anon195714)
>   3. Re: Freedom of name: Skunk topics: not lazy,    exhausted.
>      (Anon195714)
>   4. DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (Andrew)
>   5. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
>      (Violet Crawley, Dowager Countess of Grantham)
>   6. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (Anon195714)
>   7. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (Yardena Cohen)
>   8. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (netdiva)
>   9. Free month of pre-paid GSM phone service. (Max Klein)
>  10. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (Andrew)
>  11. sudo ing (rachel lyra hospodar)
>  12. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (rachel lyra hospodar)
>  13. Cat5 materials + rackmount cases (hol at gaskill.com)
>  14. Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting (Patrick Schmidt)
>  15. Re: Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting (aestetix)
>  16. Re: Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting (Anon195714)
>  17. Hack Marin! (Morten H. D. Fuglsang)
>  18. Re: DOOR ACCESS HACKING! (Anon195714)
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> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:16:04 -0700
> From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo at gmail.com>
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> Dear sudo'ers,
> 
> Juul, Tunabananas, mr. Phage, Sir Mikey and myself have reached a final
> agreement with our landlord to rent the 2nd story on our Adeline House in
> West Oakland. We are looking for new housemates (both "permanent" and
> subletters, as some are away for some month), to starting 1st of April.
> We'd definitely love to have people we already know move in.
> 
> We live as a community, sharing food (90% dumpster dived), the work on the
> house, etc. Our garden will soon be sprouting cool stuffs, and we have a
> yurt, chicken and more. Rent is cheap.
> 
> Now having more space, we want to take this is an opportunity to "level up"
> our community and our intention of living together. If you're interested
> living as part of an intentional hacker-community, and building it even
> stronger, this might be a good fit.
> 
> *TL:DR; We are awesome. Want to live with awesome people? Throw an e-mail
> and we will meet.*
> *
> *
> Make a great day,
> Morten
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> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 18:19:31 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
> Cc: nymrights <nymrights at lists.idcommons.net>, sudo-discuss
>    <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss]  "Skunk" topic cont'd: better tech & better
>    usage
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> 
> Yo's-
> 
> (Thanks Patrick!)
> 
> Three things are needed.  One is better tech.  Two is smarter usage. 
> Three is the courage of our convictions.
> 
> 1)  Better tech:
> 
> YES we need better cellphone tech.  For example:
> 
> = Open source source code, with detailed instructions for compiling it
> and using it.  (Full and explicit documentation should enable an average
> person to follow the steps successfully.) 
> 
> = Downloadable object code: compiled from the source code by trusted
> entities such as EFF, and downloadable from their website, along with
> detailed instructions for using it.  (This will bring people onboard who
> can't compile from source.)
> 
> = Devices that are pre-loaded with the new operating system and
> utilities.  These would need to have some means by which users could
> connect to trusted sites to verify what was actually on their devices. 
> (This will make the project accessible to the vast mass of humans who
> aren't geeks.)
> 
> = While we're at it, the software should include cryptography and
> steganography, and improved voice fidelity.
> 
> = And the software should be cross-platform: for existing mobile
> devices, for laptops with headsets, for desktops with landline phones. 
> Make it universal and it will spread. 
> 
> About hardware:  YES we need our own hardware, from a trusted source.
> 
> = A "ringer" that cannot be subverted into a microphone.  This part is
> easy: an oscillator and resonant buzzer.  (Musical ringtones are
> needless nonsense that facilitate using speakers as microphones.) 
> 
> = Physical switches that cut off the mic, the speaker, the camera, the
> GPS sensor, and the inertial sensor (inertial sensors are another
> surveillance modality, details on request).  The way to cut off a sensor
> is by a) cutting off its power, _and_ b) shorting its signal output to
> ground (both steps are required).   
> 
> On landline phones these functions are collectively known as the
> "hookswitch," and you can physically inspect it to see that it is in
> fact cutting off the speech circuit when the receiver is on the hook. 
> Combining all the "sensor OFF" functions into a single switch similar to
> a landline "hookswitch" would require a "ten-pole / double-throw"
> switch: probably difficult to source that component, but not impossible.
> 
> = Another physical switch that cuts off power entirely. 
> 
> With this combination of switches, you would have the choice of a)
> putting the device on "standby" such that it can receive calls but
> doesn't do anything else until you turn on the "hookswitch", or b)
> turning the device OFF altogether.  "On - Standby - Off."  Simple and
> straightforward.
> 
> These switches could easily be built into the edge of the device,
> between two ridges that protect them from being damaged.  I have a
> design in mind for this but don't have the time to post a diagram at
> this moment.  Alternately they could be placed under a hinged cover on
> the device.
> 
> = No "supercapacitors" on the circuit board, that could keep some of the
> functions running even when the battery is out, for example functions
> that are usable for remotely-triggered surveillance.  It would not
> surprise me if supercaps are being used in mobile devices for this
> purpose right now, for GPS recording, and audio recording (the content
> from which would automatically upload when the device is powered up
> again).  Without supercaps on the board, battery-out means device-OFF. 
> 
> = We have, in the local hackerspace community, people who have been
> highly successful in the business of making innovative hardware.  We
> need to discuss this with them.  This will lead to a product that can be
> mass produced. 
> 
> Probably the resulting device will be thicker and slightly larger than
> present devices.  That's a small price to pay for privacy and the
> freedom that comes with privacy.  We can do this!
> 
> 
> 2)  Smarter usage:
> 
> Embedded surveillance has become "popular" because it gives people
> things they want: for example the ability to get voicemail messages
> transcribed to text in email, so they can "skim" rambling messages more
> quickly.  (In fact, figuring out a garbled text translation of a
> voicemail message takes longer than listening to the actual audio, but
> the marketing makes people believe it's faster.) 
> 
> This leads to two things: 
> 
> One is, more better tech.  I was just speaking with a friend who'll
> probably post a comment to this thread, and he suggested that we already
> have most or all of the open-source tools needed to replace Google
> Docs.  We can develop open-source, freedom-and-privacy-enhanced,
> replacements for most of the things people use that are connected to the
> "predict-you-and-control-you" surveillance economy. 
> 
> The other is, smarter usage. 
> 
> Use email headers intelligently: when a topic of conversation changes,
> revise the header accordingly, to make it easier for people to find the
> new topic.  This is something I've gotten used to doing for work
> purposes.  It's easy, it just takes a little thought, and thought is
> what differentiates live humans from dead ones. 
> 
> Keep voicemail messages concise so people can actually listen to the
> audio rather than depending on a surveillance-machine to transcribe to
> text.  This also eliminates the potential for automated transcription
> errors and the hassles they cause.  (Voicemail-to-email should deliver
> the actual audio clip to the recipient, so they can choose whether to
> dial up their mailbox in the regular way, or listen to their messages on
> their computer or other device.  I can demonstrate this in actual use if
> anyone's interested.)   
> 
> Also for email:  Specify priority in the header, e.g. say "urgent" or
> "routine," or whatever, and when receiving email, always read stuff
> that's marked for higher priority. 
> 
> Also for email:  Say enough to make your meaning clear the first time. 
> If someone has to write back to you to ask what you meant, you left
> stuff out.  For example, "Let's get dinner after the meeting" is vague:
> which meeting, when?  "Let's get dinner after the general meeting this
> Wednesday night" is specific enough to be clear the first time.  Leaving
> stuff out imposes a burden on the other person: to write back and ask
> what you meant, and to hold up their time and attention waiting for a
> reply (it also imposes a burden on yourself to reply to their
> questions), and contributes to the "overload" factor.
> 
> One of the key reasons people do dumb things in their personal
> communications (like not responding to voicemail and email) is because
> they're on chronic low-level overload.  Part of this is due to dumb
> usage practices such as vagueness, that gnaw away at attention with
> needless back-and-forth.  Part of it is because the oligarchy tries to
> keep us saturated with MEDIA (the oligarchy's messages and content) all
> the time, and very often we happily obey.  When our heads are stuffed
> full of MEDIA, we don't have time or patience for ordinary communication
> from other people.  The answer to this is, reduce the overload: _consume
> less media, make more room for the people in your life_.   Also make
> more room for solitude and reflection, thinking and daydreaming, and
> "doing nothing" while your mental batteries recharge themselves. 
> 
> 
> 3)  The courage of our convictions:  WE can build a new infrastructure
> if we choose.
> 
> A new internet, new voice and data utilities, new software and apps, new
> hardware where needed.
> 
> Robust, resilient, freedom and privacy enhanced, and at the same time
> safer from predators & parasites and more secure to run critical
> infrastructure such as the power grid. 
> 
> WE have the talent to do this.  It will start small but if it's any good
> it will spread.  We can create right-livelihood jobs doing it, that the
> oligarchy can't buy out later. 
> 
> Go back and read some of the early 1980s stuff about the electronic
> frontier, the open horizon of freedom and community, the vast promise of
> technology to liberate people in so many ways.  What happened since that
> time was that the parasites & predators took over, to the point where
> the "technologies of freedom" became "the technologies of convenience"
> and thereby "the technologies of control." 
> 
> WE do not have to submit.  WE can liberate the digital commons.  
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> On 13-03-17-Sun 2:56 AM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>> Speaking about corporate cellphones where you cant take out the
>> battery and dont know who
>> controls the mic:
>> 
>> Would be awesome if the Hacker Community finally comes up with Open
>> Hardware Mobile Phones and awesome Open Hardware Cameras.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/3/16, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>:
>>> 
>>> Yo's-
>>> 
>>> There's a big stinking skunk in the room, that everyone seems to miss,
>>> including a lot of people at SudoRoom and other hackerspaces:
>>> 
>>> The biggest threat to freedom & privacy is not the government, law
>>> enforcement, the intelligence agencies, etc.
>>> 
>>> The biggest threat is the corporate sector.  And many of us are
>>> willingly serving ourselves up to them on a silver platter, with
>>> condiments included, and dragging our friends into it with something
>>> less than fully informed consent.
>>> 
>>> What government can do to you with the data they collect:  Prosecute you
>>> for a crime or disappear you to Gitmo.  Some day, though at present it's
>>> merely a paranoid fantasy, perhaps order a drone strike to shoot you on
>>> the street.
>>> 
>>> What the private sector can do to you:  Get you fired from your job,
>>> deny you the ability to get another job, or an apartment, a mortgage,
>>> health insurance, a bank account, or plain-vanilla consumer credit.
>>> 
>>> Which set of consequences is more likely to happen to you?  Which set of
>>> consequences causes more fear today?  Which set of consequences
>>> realistically makes you look over your shoulder?
>>> 
>>> On a day-to-day basis, are Americans talking about their fear of going
>>> to prison, or about their fear of losing their jobs, losing their homes,
>>> losing their health coverage, etc.?  Do you know anyone who has a kid?
>>> Ask them whether they're more afraid of going to prison or of losing
>>> their job and the roof over their head.
>>> 
>>> Round-ups of dissidents make news.  Political prosecutions make news.
>>> Suicides of young guys who were being aggressively prosecuted for
>>> hacking, make news.
>>> 
>>> Someone getting fired (or not getting hired) because their boss found an
>>> "objectionable" comment by them somewhere online, or an embarrassing
>>> picture of them on Facebook, doesn't make the news.
>>> 
>>> As far as the media and public opinion are concerned, losing your job
>>> and losing the roof over your head don't make you a persecuted
>>> dissident, they make you a "loser."  And when you rant about getting
>>> fired or denied an apartment because of your politics or your lifestyle,
>>> you're not just a "loser" but a "whiny loser."
>>> 
>>> There is no more effective means of enforcing servile conformity than to
>>> offer mundane rewards and punishments, that individuals internalize.
>>> There is no more effective way to get people to comply, than to sell
>>> compliance as "convenience."  As a science fiction character of mine
>>> said in the 80s, "Why put a person in prison, when you can put prison in
>>> the person?"
>>> 
>>> But there's something even more insidious about this.
>>> 
>>> It creates a culture of internalized compliance, conformity, and
>>> submission.  A culture where dissent and nonconformity are "tolerated"
>>> (because overt repression would trigger more dissent), but where the
>>> vast majority does what is expected of them.  A culture where today
>>> people say "privacy is obsolete" and "there is no more privacy," a
>>> culture that's one step away from "freedom is obsolete."
>>> 
>>> The biggest risk is not that you'll personally be targeted, lose your
>>> job, and end up homeless.  The biggest risk is that the culture as a
>>> whole won't give a fiddler's fig about those who are quietly
>>> dispossessed, because everyone is too busy falling in line to chase the
>>> latest consumer baubles, or to keep from being eaten by the latest
>>> economic alligators.
>>> 
>>> Big Data is the feed-in to that system.
>>> 
>>> Do you have any idea of the totality of tracking that's going on now?
>>> Keyword search "flash cookies" or go to http://www.eff.org and search
>>> their website for their write-ups about 'em.  Look up "super cookies"
>>> and "LSOs" or "local stored objects" while you're at it.
>>> 
>>> Depending on your operating system & browser, take a close look at the
>>> files & folders on your machine that store these things.  Open the
>>> folders and watch what happens when you turn up the privacy settings on
>>> your browser, or click the options to clear your cache, cookies,
>>> browsing history, etc.  What you'll see is that these f---ing bugs
>>> instantly regenerate themselves: like cockroaches they are almost
>>> impossible to kill off entirely.
>>> 
>>> Using open-source OS & browsers doesn't fix this.  You can write a
>>> custom script to route them to dev null and it won't stop them.  They
>>> are designed to thwart your security measures and keep on sending data
>>> to their owners, no matter what you do.  They are arguably a criminal
>>> violation of anti-hacking statutes because they circumvent security
>>> measures on machines, but so far nobody has raised a lawsuit about that
>>> (I have pestered the folks I know at EFF about this and will keep doing
>>> so, but their docket is pretty jammed as it is).  "Privacy policies"
>>> that destroy privacy are arguably "contracts of adhesion" that are not
>>> enforceable.  And yet....
>>> 
>>> Everywhere you go online, everything you do online, is being collected
>>> with a degree of completeness that would cause you to crap your pants if
>>> you knew how far it goes.
>>> 
>>> The ostensible goal is to sell advertising.  But I have a question:
>>> what's the actual return on investment for that?  How many goods &
>>> services are actually sold because advertisers can "target" you for
>>> "personalized" messages?  How often have you bought something because
>>> you got a targeted ad?  I'm willing to bet: not enough to justify the
>>> amount of money being spent on all the tracking, spying, and digital
>>> flashlights shoved up our collective colon.
>>> 
>>> The purveyors of all this neo-surveillance are basically scamming the
>>> business world when they say it's "necessary" to "remain competitive"
>>> and all that nonsense.  One could make the same claim for telemarketing,
>>> and the only ones who get rich on it are the telemarketers themselves.
>>> 
>>> So here's where fellow Sudoers and other friendly folks end up turning
>>> themselves into FOOD for Big Data, and dragging their friends into it
>>> with something less than informed consent:
>>> 
>>> Facebook, Google, texting, and smartphones.  And very soon, Verizon and
>>> other cable TV services, about which more some other time, keyphrase
>>> "watch you cuddle."
>>> 
>>> Most of us here despise Facebook, except we'll give someone a pass for
>>> using it if they're a public or quasi-public figure who wants to use it
>>> for publicity purposes.
>>> 
>>> But very very many of us here use Gmail addresses and Google Voice
>>> telephone numbers.
>>> 
>>> Google is the paradigm case of Big Data.  Even NSA is envious of Google,
>>> and NSA recently adopted a Google database system for use in their new
>>> facility in Utah.
>>> 
>>> When you use GMail or Google Voice, you are being subjected to the same
>>> kind of keyword-recognition collection & analysis system that NSA uses
>>> for intercepting overseas traffic.  The difference is that you don't get
>>> to vote for their boss every four years.
>>> 
>>> When the only way to reach someone by email is at their GMail address,
>>> and the only way to reach them by phone is by calling their Google Voice
>>> number, they are effectively saying to their friends:  "If you want to
>>> write to me or talk to me, you have to submit to intensive
>>> surveillance."  If you value the friendship, you submit.  Or you say
>>> nothing on the phone and nothing in email, other than "let's meet in
>>> person."  Thereby throwing away all the potential value of over a
>>> century of communications technology.
>>> 
>>> What Ithiel de Sola Pool called "technologies of freedom" in 1983, have
>>> become technologies of control that rival _1984_.  As Winston Smith said
>>> to O'Brien, when O'Brien switched off the telescreen in his apartment,
>>> "You can turn it off!", and O'Brien replied, "We can turn it off.  We
>>> have that privilege."  Try taking the battery out of an iPhone.  Try
>>> taking the battery out of the forthcoming, and ironically named,
>>> "iWatch."  They watch.  You can't turn it off.  Interesting, that.  So
>>> when you hang out with someone who's carrying an iPhone, wearing an
>>> iWatch, or worst of all Google Goggles, once again, you're submitting.
>>> 
>>> Facebook is a surveillance machine.  Google is a surveillance machine.
>>> Twitter is not only a surveillance machine, it was designed as an
>>> intelligence collection platform.  I know someone who developed intel
>>> collection & analysis software for use on Twitter.  I'll tell that story
>>> in person.  "Texting" in general, like Twitter, is an intel collection
>>> platform.  And "smartphones" are surveillance devices you carry around
>>> with you.  Do you really trust software you can't inspect?, that
>>> controls a camera, a microphone, and a GPS tracker, that you carry
>>> everywhere you go?
>>> 
>>> There used to be a pretty strong cultural attitude among geeks, hackers,
>>> etc., that using AOL for email, was for losers.  Cool People didn't go
>>> anywhere near AOL.
>>> 
>>> AOL's big sin was censorship.  They tried to "moderate" their little
>>> corner of cyberspace.  In the end they failed, and at this point (I had
>>> to check that they still exist at all) they are nothing more than
>>> another dumb "aggregator" page.
>>> 
>>> But make no mistake about this: Surveillance IS censorship.
>>> 
>>> When people are being watched, they behave differently.  They submit,
>>> they conform, they comply.
>>> 
>>> And in the end, "convenience" is a dumb-ass excuse for compliance.
>>> 
>>> -G.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:05:24 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: revphil <revphil at gmail.com>
> Cc: nymrights <nymrights at lists.idcommons.net>, sudo-discuss
>    <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of name: Skunk topics: not lazy,
>    exhausted.
> Message-ID: <51467664.7010108 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> 
> 
> Yo's -
> 
> (Thanks Revphil)
> 
> First, quickly: mobile security: black tape & a ziploc bag aren't
> sufficient. 
> 
> For one thing, they don't stop the GPS device from stalking you wherever
> you go.  For another, you'd be surprised how easy it is to recover audio
> even through a plastic bag or a layer of clothing.  or example San
> Francisco's MUNI buses all have audio & video recording, and they can
> pinpoint desired conversations even on a noisy bus.  This I know from
> having read the manufacturer's specs.  Better tech is needed, see my
> preceding email.
> 
> Second, re. "I am lazy and I have given up."  No, you're not lazy. 
> 
> You're probably just exhausted, probably on chronic low-level overload
> most of the time.   And like the movie character trying to outrun the
> monster, who finally says to his/her companions, "I can't keep up, just
> go on without me...", exhaustion looks like "giving up." 
> 
> How much sleep does each of us get every night?  Anything less than
> seven hours each night, and we're sleep deprived, running on empty, and
> cognitively impaired in comparison to when we get enough sleep.  Sleep
> dep is pandemic in our society: most Americans are getting less than
> 6-1/2 hours a night, racking up a chronic sleep deficit, health impacts,
> and cognitive impacts. 
> 
> Notice all the ads for new mattresses?  They try to get people to
> believe that buying an expensive mattress will give them "a better
> night's sleep".  That's BS of course, but it's also an example of how
> the economy feeds off misery.  Overwork, media overload, every waking
> minute filled up doing something that _makes money for someone else_,
> gradually turn us into sheep, cows, and pigs, lined up to be fleeced,
> milked, and porked. 
> 
> And to keep feeding the Growth Gods, those waking hours have to be
> stretched and extended and colonized further.  It's no surprise that one
> of the Shiny Things on the near horizon is a pill to do away with the
> need for sleep altogether.  In the end it'll have nasty side-effects,
> but it will create ever more opportunities to be kept busy at work and
> busy consuming, and the side-effects will create more opportunities to
> sell more stuff to the New Zombies.
> 
> What to do about that:
> 
> Take back your time.  Don't feed the parasites & predators, even if they
> give you a pleasant little buzz for doing so.  Think of the time people
> spend on Facebook or playing Angry Birds or whatever, or chasing the
> latest media download.  Most of us have a bunch of little time-wasters
> that add up, that we can overthrow and throw out.  Consuming less is an
> act of revolt against the oligarchy, and an act of self-empowerment. 
> 
> Consume less, sleep more.  Make it a point to get at least seven hours a
> night, every night.  Your brain will perk up, you'll get your work done
> more efficiently, and you'll have more time for whatever you choose.
> 
> Solidarity is a better buzz than media.  Solidarity is empowerment. 
> This is the biggest strength of hackerspaces: getting a bunch of smart
> clever nonconformists and dissidents together in one place.  The next
> step comes when stuff we build gets out there to the world and starts
> changing lives.   
> 
> Solitude is good for solidarity.  Time alone to just sit & think is
> incredibly valuable.  It's the way you de-colonize your headspace. 
> People are usually more creative than they give themselves credit for. 
> Solitude and solidarity foster creativity. 
> 
> The sheer joy of solidarity, solitude, and creativity, is better than
> anything the oligarchy can offer us in exchange for submission.  It's
> the the best high there is, it's subversive as hell, it's sustainable,
> and it gives you back the energy to outrun the monsters and ultimately
> to defeat them.   
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> On 13-03-17-Sun 1:44 PM, revphil wrote:
>> Thanks for the essay! I didn't expect to read it to the end but your
>> rant was right on target.
>> 
>> I went to the EFF's presentation at NoiseBridge yesterday and tho I
>> might have personally benefited more from learning about 3d Printers I
>> feel slightly pissed at myself for my level of security. I am lazy and
>> I have given up; I dont believe that the powers that be have anything
>> to gain by listening or altering my messages.
>> 
>> Winston Smiths aren't we all.
>> 
>> rev
>> 
>> ps iPhone mobile security? like a piece of black tape and a zip lock bag?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Patrick Schmidt
>> <psbschmidt at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Speaking about corporate cellphones where you cant take out the
>>> battery and dont know who
>>> controls the mic:
>>> 
>>> Would be awesome if the Hacker Community finally comes up with Open
>>> Hardware Mobile Phones and awesome Open Hardware Cameras.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2013/3/16, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> Yo's-
>>>> 
>>>> There's a big stinking skunk in the room, that everyone seems to miss,
>>>> including a lot of people at SudoRoom and other hackerspaces:
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest threat to freedom & privacy is not the government, law
>>>> enforcement, the intelligence agencies, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest threat is the corporate sector.  And many of us are
>>>> willingly serving ourselves up to them on a silver platter, with
>>>> condiments included, and dragging our friends into it with something
>>>> less than fully informed consent.
>>>> 
>>>> What government can do to you with the data they collect:  Prosecute you
>>>> for a crime or disappear you to Gitmo.  Some day, though at present it's
>>>> merely a paranoid fantasy, perhaps order a drone strike to shoot you on
>>>> the street.
>>>> 
>>>> What the private sector can do to you:  Get you fired from your job,
>>>> deny you the ability to get another job, or an apartment, a mortgage,
>>>> health insurance, a bank account, or plain-vanilla consumer credit.
>>>> 
>>>> Which set of consequences is more likely to happen to you?  Which set of
>>>> consequences causes more fear today?  Which set of consequences
>>>> realistically makes you look over your shoulder?
>>>> 
>>>> On a day-to-day basis, are Americans talking about their fear of going
>>>> to prison, or about their fear of losing their jobs, losing their homes,
>>>> losing their health coverage, etc.?  Do you know anyone who has a kid?
>>>> Ask them whether they're more afraid of going to prison or of losing
>>>> their job and the roof over their head.
>>>> 
>>>> Round-ups of dissidents make news.  Political prosecutions make news.
>>>> Suicides of young guys who were being aggressively prosecuted for
>>>> hacking, make news.
>>>> 
>>>> Someone getting fired (or not getting hired) because their boss found an
>>>> "objectionable" comment by them somewhere online, or an embarrassing
>>>> picture of them on Facebook, doesn't make the news.
>>>> 
>>>> As far as the media and public opinion are concerned, losing your job
>>>> and losing the roof over your head don't make you a persecuted
>>>> dissident, they make you a "loser."  And when you rant about getting
>>>> fired or denied an apartment because of your politics or your lifestyle,
>>>> you're not just a "loser" but a "whiny loser."
>>>> 
>>>> There is no more effective means of enforcing servile conformity than to
>>>> offer mundane rewards and punishments, that individuals internalize.
>>>> There is no more effective way to get people to comply, than to sell
>>>> compliance as "convenience."  As a science fiction character of mine
>>>> said in the 80s, "Why put a person in prison, when you can put prison in
>>>> the person?"
>>>> 
>>>> But there's something even more insidious about this.
>>>> 
>>>> It creates a culture of internalized compliance, conformity, and
>>>> submission.  A culture where dissent and nonconformity are "tolerated"
>>>> (because overt repression would trigger more dissent), but where the
>>>> vast majority does what is expected of them.  A culture where today
>>>> people say "privacy is obsolete" and "there is no more privacy," a
>>>> culture that's one step away from "freedom is obsolete."
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest risk is not that you'll personally be targeted, lose your
>>>> job, and end up homeless.  The biggest risk is that the culture as a
>>>> whole won't give a fiddler's fig about those who are quietly
>>>> dispossessed, because everyone is too busy falling in line to chase the
>>>> latest consumer baubles, or to keep from being eaten by the latest
>>>> economic alligators.
>>>> 
>>>> Big Data is the feed-in to that system.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have any idea of the totality of tracking that's going on now?
>>>> Keyword search "flash cookies" or go to http://www.eff.org and search
>>>> their website for their write-ups about 'em.  Look up "super cookies"
>>>> and "LSOs" or "local stored objects" while you're at it.
>>>> 
>>>> Depending on your operating system & browser, take a close look at the
>>>> files & folders on your machine that store these things.  Open the
>>>> folders and watch what happens when you turn up the privacy settings on
>>>> your browser, or click the options to clear your cache, cookies,
>>>> browsing history, etc.  What you'll see is that these f---ing bugs
>>>> instantly regenerate themselves: like cockroaches they are almost
>>>> impossible to kill off entirely.
>>>> 
>>>> Using open-source OS & browsers doesn't fix this.  You can write a
>>>> custom script to route them to dev null and it won't stop them.  They
>>>> are designed to thwart your security measures and keep on sending data
>>>> to their owners, no matter what you do.  They are arguably a criminal
>>>> violation of anti-hacking statutes because they circumvent security
>>>> measures on machines, but so far nobody has raised a lawsuit about that
>>>> (I have pestered the folks I know at EFF about this and will keep doing
>>>> so, but their docket is pretty jammed as it is).  "Privacy policies"
>>>> that destroy privacy are arguably "contracts of adhesion" that are not
>>>> enforceable.  And yet....
>>>> 
>>>> Everywhere you go online, everything you do online, is being collected
>>>> with a degree of completeness that would cause you to crap your pants if
>>>> you knew how far it goes.
>>>> 
>>>> The ostensible goal is to sell advertising.  But I have a question:
>>>> what's the actual return on investment for that?  How many goods &
>>>> services are actually sold because advertisers can "target" you for
>>>> "personalized" messages?  How often have you bought something because
>>>> you got a targeted ad?  I'm willing to bet: not enough to justify the
>>>> amount of money being spent on all the tracking, spying, and digital
>>>> flashlights shoved up our collective colon.
>>>> 
>>>> The purveyors of all this neo-surveillance are basically scamming the
>>>> business world when they say it's "necessary" to "remain competitive"
>>>> and all that nonsense.  One could make the same claim for telemarketing,
>>>> and the only ones who get rich on it are the telemarketers themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> So here's where fellow Sudoers and other friendly folks end up turning
>>>> themselves into FOOD for Big Data, and dragging their friends into it
>>>> with something less than informed consent:
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook, Google, texting, and smartphones.  And very soon, Verizon and
>>>> other cable TV services, about which more some other time, keyphrase
>>>> "watch you cuddle."
>>>> 
>>>> Most of us here despise Facebook, except we'll give someone a pass for
>>>> using it if they're a public or quasi-public figure who wants to use it
>>>> for publicity purposes.
>>>> 
>>>> But very very many of us here use Gmail addresses and Google Voice
>>>> telephone numbers.
>>>> 
>>>> Google is the paradigm case of Big Data.  Even NSA is envious of Google,
>>>> and NSA recently adopted a Google database system for use in their new
>>>> facility in Utah.
>>>> 
>>>> When you use GMail or Google Voice, you are being subjected to the same
>>>> kind of keyword-recognition collection & analysis system that NSA uses
>>>> for intercepting overseas traffic.  The difference is that you don't get
>>>> to vote for their boss every four years.
>>>> 
>>>> When the only way to reach someone by email is at their GMail address,
>>>> and the only way to reach them by phone is by calling their Google Voice
>>>> number, they are effectively saying to their friends:  "If you want to
>>>> write to me or talk to me, you have to submit to intensive
>>>> surveillance."  If you value the friendship, you submit.  Or you say
>>>> nothing on the phone and nothing in email, other than "let's meet in
>>>> person."  Thereby throwing away all the potential value of over a
>>>> century of communications technology.
>>>> 
>>>> What Ithiel de Sola Pool called "technologies of freedom" in 1983, have
>>>> become technologies of control that rival _1984_.  As Winston Smith said
>>>> to O'Brien, when O'Brien switched off the telescreen in his apartment,
>>>> "You can turn it off!", and O'Brien replied, "We can turn it off.  We
>>>> have that privilege."  Try taking the battery out of an iPhone.  Try
>>>> taking the battery out of the forthcoming, and ironically named,
>>>> "iWatch."  They watch.  You can't turn it off.  Interesting, that.  So
>>>> when you hang out with someone who's carrying an iPhone, wearing an
>>>> iWatch, or worst of all Google Goggles, once again, you're submitting.
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook is a surveillance machine.  Google is a surveillance machine.
>>>> Twitter is not only a surveillance machine, it was designed as an
>>>> intelligence collection platform.  I know someone who developed intel
>>>> collection & analysis software for use on Twitter.  I'll tell that story
>>>> in person.  "Texting" in general, like Twitter, is an intel collection
>>>> platform.  And "smartphones" are surveillance devices you carry around
>>>> with you.  Do you really trust software you can't inspect?, that
>>>> controls a camera, a microphone, and a GPS tracker, that you carry
>>>> everywhere you go?
>>>> 
>>>> There used to be a pretty strong cultural attitude among geeks, hackers,
>>>> etc., that using AOL for email, was for losers.  Cool People didn't go
>>>> anywhere near AOL.
>>>> 
>>>> AOL's big sin was censorship.  They tried to "moderate" their little
>>>> corner of cyberspace.  In the end they failed, and at this point (I had
>>>> to check that they still exist at all) they are nothing more than
>>>> another dumb "aggregator" page.
>>>> 
>>>> But make no mistake about this: Surveillance IS censorship.
>>>> 
>>>> When people are being watched, they behave differently.  They submit,
>>>> they conform, they comply.
>>>> 
>>>> And in the end, "convenience" is a dumb-ass excuse for compliance.
>>>> 
>>>> -G.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:57:51 -0700
> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hey All,
> 
> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation.
> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access mainly
> to install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if
> that means having it restart every 20 minutes.
> 
> If I have to climb up the elevator shaft my self with an ethernet cable I
> will. Lets get this fixed.
> 
> Hack The Planet.
> 
> --Andrew
> 
> -- 
> -------
> Andrew Lowe
> Cell: 831-332-2507
> http://roshambomedia.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:06:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Violet Crawley, Dowager Countess of Grantham"
>    <violet.crawlee at yahoo.com>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Can we set up a system of redundant Raspberry PIs? ?This is known as "being highly available".
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org> 
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:57 PM
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> 
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation. I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door?access mainly to?install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that means having it restart every 20 minutes.
> 
> If I have to climb up the elevator shaft my self with an ethernet cable I will. Lets get this fixed.
> 
> Hack The Planet.
> 
> --Andrew
> 
> -- 
> -------
> Andrew Lowe
> Cell: 831-332-2507
> http://roshambomedia.com
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:24:07 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID: <514688D7.1000902 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> Yo Andrew-
> 
> I have a box of Cat 5 if this helps any, and my usual telco tool-set. 
> There shouldn't be a need to get into the elevator shaft.  Darn if I
> can't remember where I put my long drill-bits, but it's been a while
> since I've been on the cable crew. 
> 
> YES we need a means of access to the space that requires that people
> have nothing more than a human body with a brain to remember the code
> and fingers or equivalent to enter it.  
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> 
> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> Hey All,
>> 
>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued
>> operation. I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on
>> door access mainly to install the keypad and get the raspi in a more
>> stable state, even if that means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>> 
>> If I have to climb up the elevator shaft my self with an ethernet
>> cable I will. Lets get this fixed.
>> 
>> Hack The Planet.
>> 
>> --Andrew
>> 
>> -- 
>> -------
>> Andrew Lowe
>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>> http://roshambomedia.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:01:59 -0700
> From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation.
>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access mainly to
>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that
>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
> 
> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in question. It
> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
> problems, which fits our experience of features/services dropping one
> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go away,
> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
> 
> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:52:32 -0700
> From: netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID: <51476270.9090004 at sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon, whats the best way to do that?
> 
> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued operation.
>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access mainly to
>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that
>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>> 
>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in question. It
>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services dropping one
>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go away,
>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>> 
>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> 
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:59:09 -0700
> From: Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org, spaghettinight at tentacle.net
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Free month of pre-paid GSM phone service.
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I just accidentally activated a prepaid SIM card in the wrong way (not
> transferring my phone number, but requesting a new one), which is
> irreversible.
> 
> I won't use it.
> 
> You can have it.
> 
> You'll need an unlocked mobile phone. It's Simple Mobile (T-Mobile
> Network). It includes unlimited HSPA+ data.
> 
> Email me if you want it.
> 
> Max
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:27:04 -0700
> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> To: netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper and
> some ends for it?
> 
> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking if
> anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and on) and
> I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let you in via the
> intercom.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andrew
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon, whats the
>> best way to do that?
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>> sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's continued
>>>> operation.
>>>> I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door access
>>>> mainly to
>>>> install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state, even if that
>>>> means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>> 
>>> I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>> networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in question. It
>>> had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>> with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>> usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>> problems, which fits our experience of features/services dropping one
>>> by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go away,
>>> then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>> 
>>> It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.**org <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>
>>> 
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
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>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>
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> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:31:22 -0700
> From: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] sudo ing
> Message-ID: <514787AA.4090703 at gmail.com>
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> 
> hi all
> 
> through an elaborate series of hacks, other rachel and i have gained 
> access to sudo room and are here hacking on our luminescent jackets.  We 
> will be here for several hours if anyone wants to get in; email me!
> 
> R.
> 
> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:33:26 -0700
> From: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> To: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
> Message-ID: <51478826.5000003 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> if anon195714 doesnt have a crimper or ends I can bring my extra crimper 
> and some ends in the next few days; let me know, because i don't use 
> them often and will have to dig them up.
> 
> On 3/18/2013 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper and
>> some ends for it?
>> 
>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking if
>> anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and on)
>> and I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let you in
>> via the intercom.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net
>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon,
>>    whats the best way to do that?
>> 
>> 
>>    On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>> 
>>            On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>            sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's
>>            continued operation.
>>            I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door
>>            access mainly to
>>            install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state,
>>            even if that
>>            means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>> 
>> 
>>        I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>        networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in
>>        question. It
>>        had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>        with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>        usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>        problems, which fits our experience of features/services
>>        dropping one
>>        by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go
>>        away,
>>        then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>> 
>>        It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>        _________________________________________________
>>        sudo-discuss mailing list
>>        sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.__org
>>        <mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>        http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>        <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>
>> 
>>    _________________________________________________
>>    sudo-discuss mailing list
>>    sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.__org
>>    <mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>    http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>    <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> -------
>> Andrew Lowe
>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>> http://roshambomedia.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:47:52 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hol at gaskill.com
> To: rachelyra at gmail.com
> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Cat5 materials + rackmount cases
> Message-ID: <1736837722.235201.1363643272355.JavaMail.mail at webmail04>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> We have some cat5 in the storage hallway, all the way toward the back on the right hand side, not sure what all but looks like a few parts.
> 
> Also, completely unrelated, if anybody has network/audio rackmount gear that they transport around alot or would like to keep on a vehicle, I came across this ad for 2 shock/vibration-protected cube enclosures for 80 bucks:
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/for/3686265643.html
> 
> 
> Mar 18, 2013 02:33:31 PM, rachelyra at gmail.com wrote:
> if anon195714 doesnt have a crimper or ends I can bring my extra crimper 
>> and some ends in the next few days; let me know, because i don't use 
>> them often and will have to dig them up.
>> 
>> On 3/18/2013 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper and
>>> some ends for it?
>>> 
>>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking if
>>> anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and on)
>>> and I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let you in
>>> via the intercom.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andrew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva netdiva at sonic.net
>>> mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon,
>>>    whats the best way to do that?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>>> 
>>>            On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>>            sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's
>>>            continued operation.
>>>            I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on door
>>>            access mainly to
>>>            install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable state,
>>>            even if that
>>>            means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>        I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>>        networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in
>>>        question. It
>>>        had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>>        with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the memory
>>>        usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>>        problems, which fits our experience of features/services
>>>        dropping one
>>>        by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would go
>>>        away,
>>>        then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>>> 
>>>        It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>>        _________________________________________________
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>>>        sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.__org
>>>        mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> -------
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>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:00:00 -0700
> From: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>    <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting
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> Dear Sudoers,
> 
> what happened last week again?
> 
> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and
> awesome people.
> As hackers we come to share what we are passionate about, get
> inspired, plan new projects,
> and are excellent to each other, work together on things at Sudo and
> plan awesome activities.
> 
> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the agenda,
> the whole energy of the room fades away.
> 
> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same:
> lets get as quickly over this point as possible.
> 
> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven conversation starts.
> 
> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy, installing
> special sudo functions almost like police.
> 
> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
> 
> is this really the way we want to go?
> 
> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings?
> Or to keep the positive energy going at the meetings?
> Paralyzing ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
> 
> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document
> which is only read
> by the people who wrote the document?
> 
> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving community
> it should be easy
> to tell friends about it, invite people and say "just be excellent to
> each other and check it out",
> nobody will read any commendments or laws before coming.
> 
> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting
> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
> 
> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our
> newborn community?
> 
> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
> 
> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize anybody.
> 
> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
> 
> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang on
> to the old system
> of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is afraid of a world of the 'WE"
> 
> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a truely
> free community.
> 
> So what can we do about it?
> 
> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold em
> tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for the
> community.
> After all (lets hope) they have good intentions.
> But we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these
> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
> 
> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a better future.
> 
> just my personal feelings,
> p.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:39:00 -0700
> From: aestetix <aestetix at aestetix.com>
> To: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
> Cc: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>    <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting
> Message-ID: <51479784.4060309 at aestetix.com>
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> Leggo my eggo :)
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Yq1I8gIA0
> 
> On 3/18/13 3:00 PM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>> Dear Sudoers,
>> 
>> what happened last week again?
>> 
>> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and 
>> awesome people. As hackers we come to share what we are passionate
>> about, get inspired, plan new projects, and are excellent to each
>> other, work together on things at Sudo and plan awesome
>> activities.
>> 
>> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the
>> agenda, the whole energy of the room fades away.
>> 
>> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same: lets get as
>> quickly over this point as possible.
>> 
>> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven
>> conversation starts.
>> 
>> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy,
>> installing special sudo functions almost like police.
>> 
>> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
>> 
>> is this really the way we want to go?
>> 
>> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings? Or
>> to keep the positive energy going at the meetings? Paralyzing
>> ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
>> 
>> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document 
>> which is only read by the people who wrote the document?
>> 
>> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving
>> community it should be easy to tell friends about it, invite people
>> and say "just be excellent to each other and check it out", nobody
>> will read any commendments or laws before coming.
>> 
>> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting 
>> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
>> 
>> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our 
>> newborn community?
>> 
>> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
>> 
>> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize
>> anybody.
>> 
>> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
>> 
>> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang
>> on to the old system of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is
>> afraid of a world of the 'WE"
>> 
>> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a
>> truely free community.
>> 
>> So what can we do about it?
>> 
>> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold
>> em tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for
>> the community. After all (lets hope) they have good intentions. But
>> we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these 
>> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
>> 
>> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a
>> better future.
>> 
>> just my personal feelings, p. 
>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
>> mailing list sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org 
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:39:17 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Patrick Schmidt <psbschmidt at googlemail.com>
> Cc: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>    <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting
> Message-ID: <5147B3B5.40202 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> 
> Yo's-
> 
> Re. what happened:
> 
> For the most part we're coming from geek/nerd/hacker culture, which is
> inspired by building stuff that makes peoples' lives better, and ideally
> that changes society in positive ways. 
> 
> Geeks/nerds/hackers, don't generally enjoy dealing with political &
> administrative detail-work.  So when the time comes to do that kind of
> stuff, it feels like "doing chores," and of course that brings down the
> energy level a bit.
> 
> Though, in any social group, there are always some people who _do_ enjoy
> doing political & administrative work.  More so in any group that is
> engaged at any level with social & political issues, which we are, by
> nature of the kinds of projects we're working on.
> 
> The nature of "building stuff" is "convergent," in the sense that, given
> a technical problem, there are convergent solutions that are empirically
> correct, and there are other possible outcomes that are not.  So while
> there may be some debate about _which_ correct solution to use, in the
> end there's convergence around something that actually works.
> 
> The nature of political and administrative decisions, is "divergent," in
> the sense that there is not a range of "right answers" that can be
> discovered empirically and everyone can agree on.  Instead, the answers
> that appear right to each person, depend on where each person is coming
> from ideologically and philosophically. 
> 
> So far we appear to cover a pretty diverse range, from liberal to
> vaguely socialist to left-libertarian to anarchist
> (left-very-libertarian;-).  Some might even debate whether those words
> are the right words to use or whether they cover the whole range. 
> Within each of those and many other shades of belief, there are ranges
> of "right solutions," but between ideologies & philosophies, there's
> much room for debate. 
> 
> Things can bog down when differences in ideology and philosophy haven't
> been dealt with in depth before they come to a specific issue and get
> stuck. 
> 
> We need to talk more about our underlying philosophies and ideologies. 
> We need to make room for each person to describe their core beliefs that
> bear on how a group should organize and operate.  And in that process we
> might find that we end up agreeing on a set of core principles, even if
> we disagree about other things. 
> 
> Personally I'm in favor of something like representative democracy,
> where we choose a set of individuals to take care of the administrative
> tasks, and empower them to do so.  Thus the people who are eager to do
> those tasks will do so, and those of us who want to stick to science &
> technology and not deal with admin tasks, can do so. 
> 
> In the end there's always recourse to putting things up for a direct
> decision of the members, so there's not much risk in designating roles
> and a scope of power or capability for each role.  
> 
> Though, I find the use of language such as "ruled by a police system" to
> be unhelpful.  I'm in favor of designating one or more people to be able
> to moderate disagreements that may come up, and handle other tasks of
> that nature: after all, in the end they're our friends & colleagues, and
> if they misuse their delegated roles, we can recall them. 
> 
> As for egotism, it seems to me that egotism occurs when someone puts
> themselves ahead of the group and causes everyone else to have to expend
> energy.  Yes that includes some instances that begin as a principled
> block, _but_ I'm not taking any position on whether the present instance
> is one of those. 
> 
> To my mind the ability to defer to someone else's judgement or to their
> delegated role, is an exercise in overcoming the desire of the ego to
> "have it my way." 
> 
> Ideally each of us has a value of respect for the group as a whole, and
> can come to debating issues with an outlook of being sensitive to the
> mood in the room and what would enable the group to move forward
> constructively.  And that includes asking ourselves what it is that
> we're asking others to do, and how much effort we're expecting others to
> make in any given situation.
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> On 13-03-18-Mon 3:00 PM, Patrick Schmidt wrote:
>> Dear Sudoers,
>> 
>> what happened last week again?
>> 
>> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and
>> awesome people.
>> As hackers we come to share what we are passionate about, get
>> inspired, plan new projects,
>> and are excellent to each other, work together on things at Sudo and
>> plan awesome activities.
>> 
>> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the agenda,
>> the whole energy of the room fades away.
>> 
>> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same:
>> lets get as quickly over this point as possible.
>> 
>> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven conversation starts.
>> 
>> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy, installing
>> special sudo functions almost like police.
>> 
>> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
>> 
>> is this really the way we want to go?
>> 
>> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings?
>> Or to keep the positive energy going at the meetings?
>> Paralyzing ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
>> 
>> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document
>> which is only read
>> by the people who wrote the document?
>> 
>> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving community
>> it should be easy
>> to tell friends about it, invite people and say "just be excellent to
>> each other and check it out",
>> nobody will read any commendments or laws before coming.
>> 
>> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting
>> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
>> 
>> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our
>> newborn community?
>> 
>> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
>> 
>> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize anybody.
>> 
>> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
>> 
>> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang on
>> to the old system
>> of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is afraid of a world of the 'WE"
>> 
>> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a truely
>> free community.
>> 
>> So what can we do about it?
>> 
>> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold em
>> tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for the
>> community.
>> After all (lets hope) they have good intentions.
>> But we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these
>> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
>> 
>> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a better future.
>> 
>> just my personal feelings,
>> p.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:54:03 -0700
> From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo at gmail.com>
> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org"
>    <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Hack Marin!
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hey peoples,
> 
> J.C. aka. man-with-the-hard-hat-starting-marin-hackerspace, has a birthday
> tomorrow. What better way to celebrate than a hackathon, building some
> stuff?
> Here's what he says:
> 
> Ya the address is 90 Sidney Ct. San Ranfael. No set schedule or anything
>> just kind of hanging out and hacking on stuff just let me know what time
>> you might be coming will be getting going late morn thru late eve.
> 
> 
> So I want to go. Sam expressed interest last week. Anyone else in? I'm
> thinking carpool from East Bay and go maybe around 10/11AM. I don't have a
> car. Throw me a mail!
> 
> Make a great day,
> M
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 01:01:17 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] DOOR ACCESS HACKING!
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> 
> Hi Andrew-
> 
> Yes I have a crimper & ends, but standard practice is to put a jack on
> each end of a cable (rather than a plug) and then use a patch cord
> (which can be as short as 6" or as long as needed) to the device at each
> end.
> 
> Crimping plugs onto twisted pair cable isn't recommended because twisted
> pair solid conductor wire should be fastened permanently in place and
> not subjected to flexing etc., otherwise the cable can downgrade or the
> plugs can go faulty.  If the door device has an Ethernet jack on it and
> will be permanently mounted, then it's safe to crimp a plug onto that
> end of the wire. 
> 
> I'm sure I have some Cat5 jacks around, I'll look. 
> 
> At some point we can discuss doing the whole patch panel thing upstairs. 
> 
> Meanwhile tonight I have some diagrams to produce for a client... more
> stuff about door stuff!  For some weird reason I've gotten stuck in a
> "door stuff" groove recently.  It must be the squirrels.  The answer to
> many puzzling coincidences is "squirrels."
> 
> TTYs-
> 
> -G.
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> 
> On 13-03-18-Mon 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> Anon195714 : a spool of cat 5 would be great. Do you have a chrimper
>> and some ends for it?
>> 
>> *netdiva : *I would send an email to the list in a new thread asking
>> if anyone will be around. I'll be around this evening (around 6pm and
>> on) and I have keys . But if anyone else will be there they can let
>> you in via the intercom.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM, netdiva <netdiva at sonic.net
>> <mailto:netdiva at sonic.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Question; if someone wants to get into sudoroom this afternoon,
>>    whats the best way to do that?
>> 
>> 
>>    On 3/17/2013 11:01 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>> 
>>            On 13-03-17-Sun 7:57 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>            sorry for YELLING, but this is critical to sudo room's
>>            continued operation.
>>            I will be around Monday and Tuesday evening to hack on
>>            door access mainly to
>>            install the keypad and get the raspi in a more stable
>>            state, even if that
>>            means having it restart every 20 minutes.
>> 
>> 
>>        I just spent some time updating all the software, fixing some
>>        networking issues, and disabling services on the raspi in
>>        question. It
>>        had a full X server + desktop environment booting by default, even
>>        with no display attached! So I disabled all that and now the
>>        memory
>>        usage is much lower. I suspect the "OOM killer" was causing these
>>        problems, which fits our experience of features/services
>>        dropping one
>>        by one until nothing worked at all - first captive DNS would
>>        go away,
>>        then web server would go away, then dhcpd would go away...
>> 
>>        It works now. Maybe this time it will work a few hours later. :)
>>        _______________________________________________
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>>        sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -------
>> Andrew Lowe
>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>> http://roshambomedia.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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