[sudo-discuss] Dystopia Watch: Surveillance drones coming to a cafe near you.
hol at gaskill.com
hol at gaskill.com
Tue Mar 5 14:14:02 PST 2013
meetings in underwater bubble domes! only heads sticking above the artificial waterline - now that's security! "fishsong our walls"...
Mar 5, 2013 01:51:46 PM, anon195714 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
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Re. Rachel, "Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices,
in the fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as
our roof."
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YES. Good reminder and well-said. There are times and places where
it's liberating to not have any devices along. For example when
going for a swim.
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-G.
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On 13-03-05-Tue 11:34 AM, rachel lyra
hospodar wrote:
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What if everyone carried a device that captured what they were
saying and replayed it, layered along with other recordings of
their own voice?
Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices, in the
fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as our
roof.
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On Mar 5, 2013 11:22 AM, "Matthew D.
Howell" matthewdhowell at gmail.com>
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@Rachel The state of the technology for recognizing and
separating
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patterns in audio is advanced enough to overcome that sort of
thing.
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Every person's voice has a distinct signature that can be
recognized.
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I would venture a guess that some kind of encrypted digital
signal
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transmission would be the best way to keep any sonic
communication
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private in the most extreme of situations. (most interested
party with
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the best technology at their disposal)
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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
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> Wouldn't it need to be non-commercially available music,
so they couldn't
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> just find the audio data of the track, invert its wave,
and cancel it out of
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> the recording?
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> CACOPHONY FOR THE REVOLUTION!
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> mediumreality.com
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> On Mar 5, 2013 10:23 AM, "Steve Berl" steveberl at gmail.com>
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>> You could carry a boombox around playing loud music
where ever you go.
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>> Perhaps this would be the end of earbuds. :-)
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>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Di Franco
di.franco at gmail.com>
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>>> People have rendered surveillance cameras useless
with very bright IR
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>>> LEDs in their fields of view.
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>>> Could something similar be done for sound
recording devices?
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>>> On Mar 5, 2013 6:17 AM, "Anon195714" anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
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>>>> Yo's-
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>>>> Something I forgot to add re. DARPA's desire
for universal recording of
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>>>> face-to-face conversations.
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>>>> What's the ideal device for doing all that
recording?
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>>>> How'bout something you wear? How'bout
something that "everyone" wears?,
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>>>> or even a significant fraction of "everyone"?
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>>>> Like maybe Google Glasses.
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>>>> Always on, camera and mic always "connected"
to "the cloud." Orwell's
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>>>> telescreen gone mobile.
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>>>> Everyone who wears them will become, in
effect, _unpaid surveillance
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>>>> drones_ watching their family and friends,
not from up in the sky, but
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>>>> from up close where every word can be heard.
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>>>> Some will say "oh, there's no stopping
technology." People said that
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>>>> about the atomic bomb and the hydrogen bomb.
But public outcry led
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>>>> first to treaties and then to progressive
degrees of nuclear
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>>>> disarmament. We haven't used that technology
since it was first used in
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>>>> WW2.
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>>>> We can stop pernicious tech if we choose. We
can refuse, we can
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>>>> withdraw consent, we do not have to press the
Buy button.
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>>>> Technology should liberate and empower
people. "Conveniences with a few
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>>>> strings attached" are not liberation, they're
puppet-strings.
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>>>> It's all about control: technology that you
can control, vs. technology
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>>>> that can control you.
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>>>> -G.
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>>>> On 13-03-05-Tue 1:50 AM, Anon195714 wrote:
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>>>> > Yo's-
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>>>> > This just in:
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>>>> > "DARPA wants to make [voice
recognition/transcription] systems so
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>>>> > accurate, you’ll be able to easily
record, transcribe and recall all
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>>>> > the
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>>>> > conversations you ever have. ... Imagine
living in a world where every
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>>>> > errant utterance you make is preserved
forever. ... DARPA [awarded
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>>>> > U.Texas comp sci researcher Matt
Lease]... $300,000... over two years
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>>>> > to
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>>>> > study the new project, called “Blending
Crowdsourcing with Automation
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>>>> > for Fast, Cheap, and Accurate Analysis
of Spontaneous Speech.”"
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>>>> > "The idea is that business meetings or
even conversations with your
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>>>> > friends and family could be stored in
archives and easily searched.
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>>>> > The
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>>>> > stored recordings could be held in
servers, owned either by
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>>>> > individuals
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>>>> > or their employers. ... The answer,
Lease says, is in widespread use
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>>>> > of
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>>>> > recording technologies like smartphones,
cameras and audio
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>>>> > recorders...
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>>>> > [A] memorandum from the Congressional
Research Service described [an
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>>>> > earlier DARPA project of this type known
as] EARS, as focusing on
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>>>> > speech
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>>>> > picked up from broadcasts and telephone
conversations, “as well as
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>>>> > extract clues about the identity of
speakers” for “the military,
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>>>> > intelligence and law enforcement
communities.”"
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>>>> > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/darpa-speech/
(Yes, "real
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>>>> > geeks
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>>>> > don't read Wired," but nonetheless its
news pages are useful for
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>>>> > keeping
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>>>> > a finger on the pulse of Big Brother and
his corporate Brethren.)
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>>>> > In short:
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>>>> > DARPA is researching the means by which
every conversation you have,
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>>>> > in-person, whether at work or with
family or friends, gets picked up
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>>>> > by
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>>>> > the mic in your smartphone or other
portable device, and stored on a
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>>>> > server, where DARPA's algorithms and
human editors turn all of it into
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>>>> > fast-searchable text, that could be used
by your employer, the
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>>>> > military,
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>>>> > law enforcement, and intel agencies.
Presumably the credit bureaus,
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>>>> > insurance companies, and financial
institutions will want "in" on the
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>>>> > data as well.
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>>>> > Now connect that with this, about
cell-site tracking and call detail
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>>>> > records:
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>>>> > "The government maintained [that]
Americans have no expectation of
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>>>> > privacy of such cell-site records [call
detail records or CDR] because
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>>>> > they are in the possession of a third
party — the mobile phone
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>>>> > companies."
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>>>> > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-drug-dealer-retrial/
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>>>> > The key point is that the gov's current
position is that data stored
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>>>> > on
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>>>> > a third party's servers have "no
expectation of privacy." What begins
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>>>> > with CDR will eventually include
voicemail messages stored on the
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>>>> > mobile
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>>>> > phone companies' servers, and then
eventually all of your live
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>>>> > in-person
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>>>> > conversations that are stored "in the
cloud."
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>>>> > "Anything you say can and will be used
against you..." Mark my words.
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>>>> > Meanwhile people keep using gmail and
Google Voice, and smartphones
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>>>> > from
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>>>> > which they can't remove the batteries.
Because nothing is more
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>>>> > important
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>>>> > than "convenience," right?
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>>>> > As a character in a sci-fi piece I wrote
in the mid-1980s said, "Why
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>>>> > put
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>>>> > a person in prison, when you can put
prison in the person instead?"
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>>>> > -G.
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