[sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4

Sat Mar 2 15:24:11 PST 2013

FWIW, here's the LA Times: 

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lockpick-20130302,0,454000.story

-C 

-- 
Cyrus Farivar
"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"

Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) 
Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com)
US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
"Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet."
cfarivar at cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar at cfarivar.org)

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, sudo-discuss-request at lists.sudoroom.org wrote:

> Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to
> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> sudo-discuss-request at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request at lists.sudoroom.org)
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> sudo-discuss-owner at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner at lists.sudoroom.org)
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
> 1. Re: It's Unconscionable (Anca Mosoiu)
> 2. Re: It's Unconscionable (rusty lindgren)
> 3. thunderbolt video cards (rusty lindgren)
> 4. Re: Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech (Steve Berl)
> 5. Re: Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech (Eddan)
> 6. Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (rusty lindgren)
> 7. Re: It's Unconscionable (Daniel Finlay)
> 8. Re: Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (Andrew)
> 9. Re: It's Unconscionable (Eddan)
> 10. Re: It's Unconscionable (rusty lindgren)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 23:27:54 -0800
> From: Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)>
> To: Michael Scroggins <michaeljscroggins at gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>, eddan at eddan.com (mailto:eddan at eddan.com)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable
> Message-ID:
> <CALDsrHjzKjQAwAs-X5QMP8e+e0_w+ejxFaZJec_P1tS9a_invQ at mail.gmail.com (mailto:CALDsrHjzKjQAwAs-X5QMP8e+e0_w+ejxFaZJec_P1tS9a_invQ at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Michael Scroggins <
> michaeljscroggins at gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com)> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock
> > picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites the
> > question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this workshop (in
> > the way it was) regrettable? In an environment where the mayor, the chief
> > of police and the media have all given the same answer - the class breeds
> > criminals - allowing that question is regrettable.
> > 
> 
> 
> It's regrettable because it gave some easy pickings for the people who want
> to portray Oakland, and the current administration, in a certain way. Many
> of the people who are upset about the workshop aren't upset about
> lockpicking, they're upset that Jean Quan appears to encourage crime in her
> newsletter.
> 
> It's regrettable because it sucked up airwaves and mental effort that might
> have been better spent.
> 
> Drafting a reasoned and reasonable response lowers the blood pressure of
> the people who are up in arms just because they aren't informed. Some of
> them will come around, especially if they understand the actual intent of
> the class.
> 
> Eddan, I'd like to participate in writing a statement. I was really taken
> aback when I read some of the emails and talked to some of the people who
> were actually upset.
> 
> The media storm will blow over with the next foot-in-mouth opportunity from
> a local politician, but we have a great opportunity to reach out while the
> world is looking.
> 
> Anca.
> 
> 
> -- 
> -=-=-=-
> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> M: (510) 220-6660
> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130301/6d62d855/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 00:27:22 -0800
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>, eddan at eddan.com (mailto:eddan at eddan.com)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable
> Message-ID:
> <CADf_g6mfAQt8S8Sez+3GYoam0v0thUC2PphMj_gVG4pfEvGx_A at mail.gmail.com (mailto:CADf_g6mfAQt8S8Sez+3GYoam0v0thUC2PphMj_gVG4pfEvGx_A at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I agree with Michael, the way in which it was promoted was fine. I think
> we should stop apologizing to the people who are acting completely in bad
> faith, and certainly, I don't want to get lumped in with everyone else when
> they apologize. This is drowning out my opinion the same way these
> ass-wipes are drowning out our opinion in the media.
> 
> SudoRoom could easily submit 3 or 4 different responses, or anonymously
> represent responses in one letter, but it shouldn't carry a single tone,
> and especially shouldn't make us look like we want to lay down and die
> every time "crime-watch" people post a stupid comment on a board somewhere.
> 
> 
> Side Note: where do these people get their money? Could it not be from
> hackers who invent all the shit that drives a secondary economy in the Bay
> Area for them to have sit down jobs where they can post on local media
> blogs all day about how their world isn't safe enough from all the people
> in Oakland, who don't ride the backs of hackers and then take them to the
> mat whenever possible. I'm sure they jumped on facebook the minute they
> were done with that news site tho.
> 
> The kicker is that they even talked about how it's someone's whole life
> force to unlock things for them when they break. Why would THEY need to
> know how to do something like that, when someone will just come by and do
> it for them? Fuck that.
> 
> Now, take a trip over to yelp, and read all of the comments about the
> sketchy locksmiths in the Bay Area... Same people complaining about how the
> "locksmith bot" wasn't programmed correctly, because they didn't get what
> they wanted. Fuck that too.
> 
> The loudest voices on the interwebs are the stupidest... at least in the
> hacker community, you don't get judged for being loud, you get judged on
> your work, and so it stands to reason that maybe, in self preservation of
> mind and spirit I still submit that we STOP laying down for people who
> don't care about us, so we respect ourselves in the end.
> 
> -Rusty
> 
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Michael Scroggins <
> > michaeljscroggins at gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock
> > > picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites the
> > > question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this workshop (in
> > > the way it was) regrettable? In an environment where the mayor, the chief
> > > of police and the media have all given the same answer - the class breeds
> > > criminals - allowing that question is regrettable.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's regrettable because it gave some easy pickings for the people who
> > want to portray Oakland, and the current administration, in a certain way.
> > Many of the people who are upset about the workshop aren't upset about
> > lockpicking, they're upset that Jean Quan appears to encourage crime in her
> > newsletter.
> > 
> > It's regrettable because it sucked up airwaves and mental effort that
> > might have been better spent.
> > 
> > Drafting a reasoned and reasonable response lowers the blood pressure of
> > the people who are up in arms just because they aren't informed. Some of
> > them will come around, especially if they understand the actual intent of
> > the class.
> > 
> > Eddan, I'd like to participate in writing a statement. I was really taken
> > aback when I read some of the emails and talked to some of the people who
> > were actually upset.
> > 
> > The media storm will blow over with the next foot-in-mouth opportunity
> > from a local politician, but we have a great opportunity to reach out while
> > the world is looking.
> > 
> > Anca.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > -=-=-=-
> > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > M: (510) 220-6660
> > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rusty Lindgren
> **
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/11f15f49/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:02:06 -0800
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] thunderbolt video cards
> Message-ID:
> <CADf_g6nqZXHUD=a6GOuvL4hqFRaMN-OxVw5rDWp3hC1EXhwmtQ at mail.gmail.com (mailto:a6GOuvL4hqFRaMN-OxVw5rDWp3hC1EXhwmtQ at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Anyone done this on mac or linux(link below)? Would be cool to just send
> rendering jobs over thunderbolt... would be even cooler if I could build
> the pci-board set up myself, rather than spend a lot on this set-up.
> 
> http://9to5mac.com/2012/12/11/mlogics-mlink-thunderbolt-expansion-chassis-now-available-for-399/#
> 
> 
> -Rusty
> **
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/e3ce253c/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:58:58 -0800
> From: Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com (mailto:steveberl at gmail.com)>
> To: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>,
> "kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org)" <kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech
> Message-ID:
> <CAB4gGneLH4Aiv4HsYZO1o2B0q5k_XkJ835SvBJiPnXZyL5fB0A at mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAB4gGneLH4Aiv4HsYZO1o2B0q5k_XkJ835SvBJiPnXZyL5fB0A at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Seems to me that the autonomous system is guilty of aiding and abetting a
> crime, or conspiracy, or something like that. Either it's a sentient being
> and must follow the law, or risk punishment of some sort, or it isn't, and
> Bob has to be responsible.
> 
> -steve
> 
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Yo's-
> > 
> > Since I couldn't make it in person...
> > 
> > Hypothetical:
> > 
> > Assume the existence of intelligent computers that can make autonomous
> > decisions, which many folks believe will become a reality in the near
> > future.
> > 
> > Alice Analyst publishes virus source code in an online computer security
> > publication. So far that's clearly protected speech, nobody here would
> > argue otherwise.
> > 
> > Bob Badguy reads the article and types the code manually into a computer,
> > with the overt or covert intent for the computer to broadcast the virus and
> > infect other computers.
> > 
> > Does it matter whether the computer into which Bob enters the virus source
> > code, is an ordinary computer that does what it's told, vs. an intelligent
> > computer that has the capacity to make autonomous decisions?
> > 
> > Clearly if the computer is an ordinary one that is not capable of
> > autonomous decisions, then Bob's typing of the virus code into it would
> > constitute an "action" rather than "speech," and would not be protected.
> > He could be successfully prosecuted for unleashing the virus upon the
> > world.
> > 
> > But if the computer is an intelligent one that can make autonomous
> > decisions, then could Bob rightfully claim that his typing of the virus
> > code into that intelligent computer was _also_ protected speech, merely an
> > exercise in communication with another sentient being, the same as Alice's
> > original publication?
> > 
> > -G.
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 13-03-01-Fri 8:22 AM, Eddan Katz wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Kopimists and the People who Love Them.
> > 
> > For the featured Filo delicacy for Friday Filosophy, we will have potato
> > burekas.
> > 
> > I propose we talk about the difference between source code, object code,
> > and executable code in regards to 1st Amendment protection. In other words,
> > when is code speech and when is it a speech-act subject to less legal
> > protection?
> > 
> > Below is an excerpt from an essay by Lee Tien, a brilliant EFF attorney
> > for more than a decade, on Software as Speech (2000). These two paragraphs
> > are in the section: Viruses and other "dangerous" software.
> > 
> > Of course, as always, we can talk about whatever else. Such as
> > conscience and the unconscionable, perhaps.
> > 
> > Lee Tien, Publishing Software as a Speech Act, Vol. 15 Berkeley Tech.
> > Law Journal (2000)
> > http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html
> > 
> > Let?s return to the virus hypothetical.192<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html#sdfootnote193sym> The
> > main concern lies in the fact that the software may be ?diverted? toward
> > unlawful purposes, regardless of the speaker?s intent. This concern is,
> > however, not unique to software. It also applies to other types of
> > information usable for mischief or harassment, whether highly technical
> > like information about nuclear weapons, or utterly mundane like a person?s
> > name, address or telephone number.
> > 
> > Even if the virus author merely posts the source code and fails to release
> > it in active form, the issue remains whether the posting was done with an
> > intent to communicate. If the author claims that she intended it to
> > communicate, we would need to examine the context to decide the
> > plausibility of that claim. There will often be a plausible claim. There is
> > no question that people study viruses and other dangerous software in order
> > to prevent or relieve harm.193<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html#sdfootnote194sym> One
> > way to control a virus is to publish its source code so that systems
> > operators can disable or protect against it. Communicating a virus? source
> > code as part of such an effort qualifies as a speech act because the
> > publisher intends to communicate how the virus works in a conventional way.
> > In fact, one could imagine entire journals or Internet sites devoted to
> > viruses and other dangerous software.194<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html#sdfootnote195sym> When
> > such publications aim to alert the world to these dangers, their intent is
> > clearly communicative.
> > 
> > 
> > sent from eddan.com (http://eddan.com)
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp (mailto:listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp)://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss (http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -steve
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/b732f360/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:25:15 -0800
> From: Eddan <eddan at clear.net (mailto:eddan at clear.net)>
> To: Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com (mailto:steveberl at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>,
> "kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org)" <kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:kopimism at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech
> Message-ID:
> <CAMvNwqGmUxxxexx--5nA7Fte2ZeMjkdBwzmnV=CO72HQ3AOQfg at mail.gmail.com (mailto:CO72HQ3AOQfg at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Do Robots Have Rights? - I'm planning to submit that as a suggested session
> topic for the next Workshop Weekend.
> 
> It seems to me that whether or not an autonomous system is a sentient being
> seems like a primary hurdle that can't be passed in order to even answer
> the question of where responsibility should fall in a way that makes sense
> to us. I can't imagine computational entities will ever have the intent we
> mean in contemporary society for us to call the damages it causes a crime.
> Not only as a matter of the capacities of technical engineering, but even
> by definition of what we mean by: (1) act; and (2) intent; and (a-b) what
> knowledge is, in the context of both.
> 
> As far as I can understand such a question in terms of motive, I think
> responsibility should lie with the anticipated capabilities of the
> technology created by the programmer(s)/designer(s). Software Malfunction
> Liability - we have become convinced that that kind of analysis is too
> remote and unfairly misguided. I most definitely agree that it's hard to
> say what an engineer should have known, especially if the act was committed
> by any further iteration of the program in the autonomous system in the
> example. But I think we can get closer to confident about reckless design,
> and even grossly negligent design - not to mention unconscionable, which
> would make the best case for assigning liability on the designer.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com (mailto:steveberl at gmail.com)> wrote:
> 
> > Seems to me that the autonomous system is guilty of aiding and abetting a
> > crime, or conspiracy, or something like that. Either it's a sentient being
> > and must follow the law, or risk punishment of some sort, or it isn't, and
> > Bob has to be responsible.
> > 
> > -steve
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yo's-
> > > 
> > > Since I couldn't make it in person...
> > > 
> > > Hypothetical:
> > > 
> > > Assume the existence of intelligent computers that can make autonomous
> > > decisions, which many folks believe will become a reality in the near
> > > future.
> > > 
> > > Alice Analyst publishes virus source code in an online computer security
> > > publication. So far that's clearly protected speech, nobody here would
> > > argue otherwise.
> > > 
> > > Bob Badguy reads the article and types the code manually into a computer,
> > > with the overt or covert intent for the computer to broadcast the virus and
> > > infect other computers.
> > > 
> > > Does it matter whether the computer into which Bob enters the virus
> > > source code, is an ordinary computer that does what it's told, vs. an
> > > intelligent computer that has the capacity to make autonomous decisions?
> > > 
> > > Clearly if the computer is an ordinary one that is not capable of
> > > autonomous decisions, then Bob's typing of the virus code into it would
> > > constitute an "action" rather than "speech," and would not be protected.
> > > He could be successfully prosecuted for unleashing the virus upon the
> > > world.
> > > 
> > > But if the computer is an intelligent one that can make autonomous
> > > decisions, then could Bob rightfully claim that his typing of the virus
> > > code into that intelligent computer was _also_ protected speech, merely an
> > > exercise in communication with another sentient being, the same as Alice's
> > > original publication?
> > > 
> > > -G.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =====
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 13-03-01-Fri 8:22 AM, Eddan Katz wrote:
> > > 
> > > Dear Kopimists and the People who Love Them.
> > > 
> > > For the featured Filo delicacy for Friday Filosophy, we will have
> > > potato burekas.
> > > 
> > > I propose we talk about the difference between source code, object
> > > code, and executable code in regards to 1st Amendment protection. In other
> > > words, when is code speech and when is it a speech-act subject to less
> > > legal protection?
> > > 
> > > Below is an excerpt from an essay by Lee Tien, a brilliant EFF attorney
> > > for more than a decade, on Software as Speech (2000). These two paragraphs
> > > are in the section: Viruses and other "dangerous" software.
> > > 
> > > Of course, as always, we can talk about whatever else. Such as
> > > conscience and the unconscionable, perhaps.
> > > 
> > > Lee Tien, Publishing Software as a Speech Act, Vol. 15 Berkeley Tech.
> > > Law Journal (2000)
> > > http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html
> > > 
> > > Let?s return to the virus hypothetical.192<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html#sdfootnote193sym> The
> > > main concern lies in the fact that the software may be ?diverted? toward
> > > unlawful purposes, regardless of the speaker?s intent. This concern is,
> > > however, not unique to software. It also applies to other types of
> > > information usable for mischief or harassment, whether highly technical
> > > like information about nuclear weapons, or utterly mundane like a person?s
> > > name, address or telephone number.
> > > 
> > > Even if the virus author merely posts the source code and fails to
> > > release it in active form, the issue remains whether the posting was done
> > > with an intent to communicate. If the author claims that she intended it to
> > > communicate, we would need to examine the context to decide the
> > > plausibility of that claim. There will often be a plausible claim. There is
> > > no question that people study viruses and other dangerous software in order
> > > to prevent or relieve harm.193<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html#sdfootnote194sym> One
> > > way to control a virus is to publish its source code so that systems
> > > operators can disable or protect against it. Communicating a virus? source
> > > code as part of such an effort qualifies as a speech act because the
> > > publisher intends to communicate how the virus works in a conventional way.
> > > In fact, one could imagine entire journals or Internet sites devoted to
> > > viruses and other dangerous software.194<http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html#sdfootnote195sym> When
> > > such publications aim to alert the world to these dangers, their intent is
> > > clearly communicative.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > sent from eddan.com (http://eddan.com)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp (mailto:listsudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.orghttp)://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss (http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > -steve
> > 
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/ceaa8a1f/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:39:57 -0800
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1
> Message-ID:
> <CADf_g6mAZpW4uct-iXvEucWoS7S20LZpZcnsGO32UrXdDf6oPA at mail.gmail.com (mailto:CADf_g6mAZpW4uct-iXvEucWoS7S20LZpZcnsGO32UrXdDf6oPA at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 1. *"These mother fuckers should burn in hell. *Quit scamming people.
> You'd make more money actually being nice honest and helping more people
> that like your business instead of charging a shit load for 1 customer and
> losing 27490291.
> 2. "...The guy shows up in literally 10 minutes, pops open the door in
> about 30 seconds and then charges me $100 for the "labor" because opening a
> door is a $100 charge. WTF... Such bullshit.
> *Two stars for him being super speedy though.*"
> 3. *"Since my cat was inside crying and needing to be fed*- I told him I
> would pay $200 for him to unlock it or I was going to call someone else.
> He ended up drilling the lock out and then wanting to charge another $190
> to replace it. *Preying on desperate people in bad situations.*"
> 4. "When he got here he said it would be 29 dollars service fee and 100
> to pick the lock, he spent exactly 30 seconds trying to pick the lock, said
> it was unpickable and went to his car to get a drill and another lock to
> replace it. Took him may be 15 minutes to drill and replace the lock then
> he handed me a bill for 258 dollars. I said how could something that jtook
> under 30 minutes with very little effort cost so much. *He didn't care,
> just took my credit card and charged it."*
> 5. IF I COULD GIVE THEM NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD NOT HESITATE! *This is my
> first review and I actually made a yelp account just to save anyone from
> falling into their scam* they call a business.
> 6. They call themselves locksmiths, but that is a joke. They completely
> busted our font door lock (to the point that the handle was hanging loosely
> off the door and no long worked to keep the door closed), then proceeded to
> charge (and demand!) $150 for the "service." *I could have gotten in a
> lot quicker and cheaper by borrowing a neighbor's hammer!*
> 
> -Rusty
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/5553eb00/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:51:14 -0800
> From: Daniel Finlay <namelessdan at gmail.com (mailto:namelessdan at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable
> Message-ID: <94D1A465-57EC-4402-BFE0-7FDC76DFA1E0 at me.com (mailto:94D1A465-57EC-4402-BFE0-7FDC76DFA1E0 at me.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Anca's right, this is a huge opportunity.
> 
> Lower dues, anyone?
> 
> Here's my caricature of opportunism, feel free to tune down the tone to your tact level of preference:
> 
> The admonition of lockpicking classes by the Mayor and Police Chief of Oakland are as unconscionable as the thefts they purport to be in fear of. While the alarmists claim that publicly available lockpicking classes may promote criminal activity, they lose sight that this class is in the context of a larger public enrichment.
> 
> Despite being only a few months old, Sudoroom has already made itself host to a wide variety of educational, cooperative, and even marketable skill-building classes and events for hundreds of local residents. From programming computers and 3-D printing to curing cheese and modifying DNA, Sudo Room is a free, community sponsored place for fostering the collaborative creativity that comes with groups full of intellectual curiosity in a time of as much change and development as this one.
> 
> In a time where people's opportunities might lead them to crime, perhaps we ought to provide better alternatives rather than stupefying the public as a form of self defense.
> 
> Let us address the cause of this sickness rather than try to snuff out its symptoms, and give ourselves access to an unfettered flow of knowledge and opportunity. We encourage you to participate in this local renaissance, by visiting the Sudoroom yourself, and taking part in any of the classes of your interest. You can always find the upcoming events at sudoroom.org/calendar (http://sudoroom.org/calendar), or just stop by almost any time to join your neighbors in their curious pursuits.
> 
> Feel free to fork it at https://gist.github.com/flyswatter/5070131
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Michael Scroggins <michaeljscroggins at gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites the question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this workshop (in the way it was) regrettable? In an environment where the mayor, the chief of police and the media have all given the same answer - the class breeds criminals - allowing that question is regrettable.
> > 
> > It's regrettable because it gave some easy pickings for the people who want to portray Oakland, and the current administration, in a certain way. Many of the people who are upset about the workshop aren't upset about lockpicking, they're upset that Jean Quan appears to encourage crime in her newsletter.
> > 
> > It's regrettable because it sucked up airwaves and mental effort that might have been better spent.
> > 
> > Drafting a reasoned and reasonable response lowers the blood pressure of the people who are up in arms just because they aren't informed. Some of them will come around, especially if they understand the actual intent of the class. 
> > 
> > Eddan, I'd like to participate in writing a statement. I was really taken aback when I read some of the emails and talked to some of the people who were actually upset.
> > 
> > The media storm will blow over with the next foot-in-mouth opportunity from a local politician, but we have a great opportunity to reach out while the world is looking. 
> > 
> > Anca.
> > 
> > -- 
> > -=-=-=-
> > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > M: (510) 220-6660
> > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> 
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/ab04e1c2/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:02:58 -0800
> From: Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com (mailto:andrew at roshambomedia.com)>
> To: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1
> Message-ID:
> <CADWgu_=-ztF12EoTpD_czpNm-SBYFw3uy=2+zYw8bOMwH-c_Uw at mail.gmail.com (mailto:2+zYw8bOMwH-c_Uw at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> http://hackerspa.com/yelp-locksmiths-greatest-hits/
> 
> For linking :-)
> On Mar 2, 2013 12:40 PM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 1. *"These mother fuckers should burn in hell. *Quit scamming people.
> > You'd make more money actually being nice honest and helping more people
> > that like your business instead of charging a shit load for 1 customer and
> > losing 27490291.
> > 2. "...The guy shows up in literally 10 minutes, pops open the door in
> > about 30 seconds and then charges me $100 for the "labor" because opening a
> > door is a $100 charge. WTF... Such bullshit.
> > *Two stars for him being super speedy though.*"
> > 3. *"Since my cat was inside crying and needing to be fed*- I told him
> > I would pay $200 for him to unlock it or I was going to call someone else.
> > He ended up drilling the lock out and then wanting to charge another $190
> > to replace it. *Preying on desperate people in bad situations.*"
> > 4. "When he got here he said it would be 29 dollars service fee and
> > 100 to pick the lock, he spent exactly 30 seconds trying to pick the lock,
> > said it was unpickable and went to his car to get a drill and another lock
> > to replace it. Took him may be 15 minutes to drill and replace the lock
> > then he handed me a bill for 258 dollars. I said how could something that
> > jtook under 30 minutes with very little effort cost so much. *He
> > didn't care, just took my credit card and charged it."*
> > 5. IF I COULD GIVE THEM NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD NOT HESITATE! *This is
> > my first review and I actually made a yelp account just to save anyone from
> > falling into their scam* they call a business.
> > 6. They call themselves locksmiths, but that is a joke. They
> > completely busted our font door lock (to the point that the handle was
> > hanging loosely off the door and no long worked to keep the door closed),
> > then proceeded to charge (and demand!) $150 for the "service." *I
> > could have gotten in a lot quicker and cheaper by borrowing a neighbor's
> > hammer!*
> > 
> > -Rusty
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/951cc235/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:37:00 -0800
> From: Eddan <eddan at clear.net (mailto:eddan at clear.net)>
> To: Daniel Finlay <namelessdan at gmail.com (mailto:namelessdan at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable
> Message-ID:
> <CAMvNwqF-n7S9Nt7Q+-swhnJ7nu3s9AGUf00U1=fkceqz=zaXOw at mail.gmail.com (mailto:zaXOw at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Not sure how to append or collate this with Daniel's section, but included
> below is a draft of suggested comments I tried piecing together. I think
> that if we are to have a statement, that we should merge our various
> contributions to represent one voice. I'm not sure what platform is best to
> do this kind of thing on, but have had some positive experience with
> http://www.co-ment.com/.
> 
> 
> sent from eddan.com (http://eddan.com)
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> To our community ?
> 
> It is in good conscience that we, the members of Sudo Room, host the
> Lock-Picking session at the Workshop Weekend taking place at 2141 Broadway
> [and Tech Liminal] today. As even a quick glance at the rest of the program
> would make clear, we are a diverse community of technologists, artists, and
> activists joined together by the ambition of figuring things out for
> ourselves and teaching other people how to do it.
> 
> A further step back would reveal a context of free and open to the public
> educational opportunities covering everything from sewing recycled fabric
> into sustainable clothing; making vanilla extract to experiment with new
> flavors of ice cream; creating a transparent and democratic corporate
> governance; and indeed yes ? taking locks apart and reverse engineering
> software.
> 
> Regarding the option of calling a locksmith, an Oakland resident locked out
> of their house or car should be advised to read through the peer review
> websites carefully for reputable services before calling their number. It
> is our general belief that public safety is better served when the skills
> necessary to be hired as a locksmith, for example, are taught in classrooms
> rather than by picking it up in the actual commission of crimes.
> 
> We share in our city?s mourning of the death of Kiante Campbell at the Art
> Murmur last month. Collectively and as individuals, we are also aware of
> and concerned about the alarming levels of crime in our neighborhoods. It
> is in fact those concerns that have made for the greatest challenges in
> offering an openly accessible entrance to our building. Being a
> horizontally-governed organization, the compromised option of only several
> people having the keys is problematic. We are now experimenting in our own
> space with ways that can increase security while preserving the privacy of
> the general public. We intend to share our results publicly on our website
> and wiki, as with all of our other projects, so that public safety in
> Oakland can be more effectively enforced.
> 
> We regret that Mayor Quan stepped back from her support of the event,
> though we appreciate her support for our innovative programs that are
> bringing about an emergent start-up technology culture in downtown Oakland.
> We can certainly sympathize with the overwhelming task of responsibly
> editing a large amount of information such as what is in the Mayors?
> newsletter. We intend for this unfortunate series of misunderstandings to
> be yet another incentive for us to work on some of the projects we?ve
> already started ? those aimed towards more efficiently sorting through
> large volumes of information to allow for making editorial judgment calls
> more fairly.
> 
> We would like to take this unsolicited opportunity to make our intentions
> clear with Police Chief Jordan and Mayor Quan. We have among us people who
> can contribute a great deal to solving our law enforcement technology
> problems and addressing the cyber-security concerns of critical
> infrastructure such as the Port of Oakland. We hope to get a chance to work
> together with our city?s leaders in bringing cutting-edge capacity building
> to the people of Oakland with sustainable and equitable economic
> structures. We are trying to be very conscientious about it ? we welcome
> you to drop by one of our many events or visit our website for information
> about our initiatives.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Daniel Finlay <namelessdan at gmail.com (mailto:namelessdan at gmail.com)>wrote:
> 
> > Anca's right, this is a huge opportunity.
> > 
> > Lower dues, anyone?
> > 
> > Here's my caricature of opportunism, feel free to tune down the tone to
> > your tact level of preference:
> > 
> > The admonition of lockpicking classes by the Mayor and Police Chief of
> > Oakland are as unconscionable as the thefts they purport to be in fear of.
> > While the alarmists claim that publicly available lockpicking classes may
> > promote criminal activity, they lose sight that this class is in the
> > context of a larger public enrichment.
> > 
> > 
> > Despite being only a few months old, Sudoroom has already made itself host
> > to a wide variety of educational, cooperative, and even marketable
> > skill-building classes and events for hundreds of local residents. From
> > programming computers and 3-D printing to curing cheese and modifying DNA,
> > Sudo Room is a free, community sponsored place for fostering the
> > collaborative creativity that comes with groups full of intellectual
> > curiosity in a time of as much change and development as this one.
> > 
> > 
> > In a time where people's opportunities might lead them to crime, perhaps
> > we ought to provide better alternatives rather than stupefying the public
> > as a form of self defense.
> > 
> > 
> > Let us address the cause of this sickness rather than try to snuff out its
> > symptoms, and give ourselves access to an unfettered flow of knowledge and
> > opportunity. We encourage you to participate in this local renaissance, by
> > visiting the Sudoroom yourself, and taking part in any of the classes of
> > your interest. You can always find the upcoming events at
> > sudoroom.org/calendar (http://sudoroom.org/calendar), or just stop by almost any time to join your
> > neighbors in their curious pursuits.
> > 
> > Feel free to fork it at https://gist.github.com/flyswatter/5070131
> > 
> > -Dan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Michael Scroggins <
> > michaeljscroggins at gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock
> > > picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites the
> > > question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this workshop (in
> > > the way it was) regrettable? In an environment where the mayor, the chief
> > > of police and the media have all given the same answer - the class breeds
> > > criminals - allowing that question is regrettable.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's regrettable because it gave some easy pickings for the people who
> > want to portray Oakland, and the current administration, in a certain way.
> > Many of the people who are upset about the workshop aren't upset about
> > lockpicking, they're upset that Jean Quan appears to encourage crime in her
> > newsletter.
> > 
> > It's regrettable because it sucked up airwaves and mental effort that
> > might have been better spent.
> > 
> > Drafting a reasoned and reasonable response lowers the blood pressure of
> > the people who are up in arms just because they aren't informed. Some of
> > them will come around, especially if they understand the actual intent of
> > the class.
> > 
> > Eddan, I'd like to participate in writing a statement. I was really taken
> > aback when I read some of the emails and talked to some of the people who
> > were actually upset.
> > 
> > The media storm will blow over with the next foot-in-mouth opportunity
> > from a local politician, but we have a great opportunity to reach out while
> > the world is looking.
> > 
> > Anca.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > -=-=-=-
> > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > M: (510) 220-6660
> > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> 
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/dbfcb95b/attachment-0001.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 15:22:26 -0800
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: eddan at eddan.com (mailto:eddan at eddan.com)
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable
> Message-ID:
> <CADf_g6=ZvLSqQ9rapKvt4rKbGhWUJVQBMA4wA5czNCyJ_0J0Aw at mail.gmail.com (mailto:ZvLSqQ9rapKvt4rKbGhWUJVQBMA4wA5czNCyJ_0J0Aw at mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Eddan,
> 
> Would you consider revising to allow this POV?
> 
> 1. Can you make it clear that not all members were okay with the
> treatment by the press, and that we invite them to publicly address us?
> 2. Can you put something in about how knowing more about your locks and
> those services could be leveraged against further scams, and that community
> programs can lead to less fraud, when awareness is raised?
> 3. Also, can we remove or revise this line: "We can certainly sympathize
> with the overwhelming task of responsibly editing a large amount of
> information such as what is in the Mayors? newsletter."
> To me, I'm against apologizing for lock-picking classes, and this sounds
> like we're saying it shouldn't have been in there in the first place. I
> know it's hooked to something else you wrote, but I don't agree with it.
> 
> If you want, I could revise the wording and send it back to you, and if
> anyone else wanted to help they could.
> 
> Other than that, it's well written and classier than my response would be,
> which is good for the group :D.
> 
> -Rusty
> 
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net (mailto:eddan at clear.net)> wrote:
> 
> > Not sure how to append or collate this with Daniel's section, but included
> > below is a draft of suggested comments I tried piecing together. I think
> > that if we are to have a statement, that we should merge our various
> > contributions to represent one voice. I'm not sure what platform is best to
> > do this kind of thing on, but have had some positive experience with
> > http://www.co-ment.com/.
> > 
> > 
> > sent from eddan.com (http://eddan.com)
> > 
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > To our community ?
> > 
> > It is in good conscience that we, the members of Sudo Room, host the
> > Lock-Picking session at the Workshop Weekend taking place at 2141 Broadway
> > [and Tech Liminal] today. As even a quick glance at the rest of the program
> > would make clear, we are a diverse community of technologists, artists, and
> > activists joined together by the ambition of figuring things out for
> > ourselves and teaching other people how to do it.
> > 
> > A further step back would reveal a context of free and open to the public
> > educational opportunities covering everything from sewing recycled fabric
> > into sustainable clothing; making vanilla extract to experiment with new
> > flavors of ice cream; creating a transparent and democratic corporate
> > governance; and indeed yes ? taking locks apart and reverse engineering
> > software.
> > 
> > Regarding the option of calling a locksmith, an Oakland resident locked
> > out of their house or car should be advised to read through the peer review
> > websites carefully for reputable services before calling their number. It
> > is our general belief that public safety is better served when the skills
> > necessary to be hired as a locksmith, for example, are taught in classrooms
> > rather than by picking it up in the actual commission of crimes.
> > 
> > We share in our city?s mourning of the death of Kiante Campbell at the Art
> > Murmur last month. Collectively and as individuals, we are also aware of
> > and concerned about the alarming levels of crime in our neighborhoods. It
> > is in fact those concerns that have made for the greatest challenges in
> > offering an openly accessible entrance to our building. Being a
> > horizontally-governed organization, the compromised option of only several
> > people having the keys is problematic. We are now experimenting in our own
> > space with ways that can increase security while preserving the privacy of
> > the general public. We intend to share our results publicly on our website
> > and wiki, as with all of our other projects, so that public safety in
> > Oakland can be more effectively enforced.
> > 
> > We regret that Mayor Quan stepped back from her support of the event,
> > though we appreciate her support for our innovative programs that are
> > bringing about an emergent start-up technology culture in downtown Oakland.
> > We can certainly sympathize with the overwhelming task of responsibly
> > editing a large amount of information such as what is in the Mayors?
> > newsletter. We intend for this unfortunate series of misunderstandings to
> > be yet another incentive for us to work on some of the projects we?ve
> > already started ? those aimed towards more efficiently sorting through
> > large volumes of information to allow for making editorial judgment calls
> > more fairly.
> > 
> > We would like to take this unsolicited opportunity to make our intentions
> > clear with Police Chief Jordan and Mayor Quan. We have among us people who
> > can contribute a great deal to solving our law enforcement technology
> > problems and addressing the cyber-security concerns of critical
> > infrastructure such as the Port of Oakland. We hope to get a chance to work
> > together with our city?s leaders in bringing cutting-edge capacity building
> > to the people of Oakland with sustainable and equitable economic
> > structures. We are trying to be very conscientious about it ? we welcome
> > you to drop by one of our many events or visit our website for information
> > about our initiatives.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Daniel Finlay <namelessdan at gmail.com (mailto:namelessdan at gmail.com)>wrote:
> > 
> > > Anca's right, this is a huge opportunity.
> > > 
> > > Lower dues, anyone?
> > > 
> > > Here's my caricature of opportunism, feel free to tune down the tone to
> > > your tact level of preference:
> > > 
> > > The admonition of lockpicking classes by the Mayor and Police Chief of
> > > Oakland are as unconscionable as the thefts they purport to be in fear of.
> > > While the alarmists claim that publicly available lockpicking classes may
> > > promote criminal activity, they lose sight that this class is in the
> > > context of a larger public enrichment.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Despite being only a few months old, Sudoroom has already made itself
> > > host to a wide variety of educational, cooperative, and even marketable
> > > skill-building classes and events for hundreds of local residents. From
> > > programming computers and 3-D printing to curing cheese and modifying DNA,
> > > Sudo Room is a free, community sponsored place for fostering the
> > > collaborative creativity that comes with groups full of intellectual
> > > curiosity in a time of as much change and development as this one.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a time where people's opportunities might lead them to crime, perhaps
> > > we ought to provide better alternatives rather than stupefying the public
> > > as a form of self defense.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Let us address the cause of this sickness rather than try to snuff out
> > > its symptoms, and give ourselves access to an unfettered flow of knowledge
> > > and opportunity. We encourage you to participate in this local
> > > renaissance, by visiting the Sudoroom yourself, and taking part in any of
> > > the classes of your interest. You can always find the upcoming events at
> > > sudoroom.org/calendar (http://sudoroom.org/calendar), or just stop by almost any time to join your
> > > neighbors in their curious pursuits.
> > > 
> > > Feel free to fork it at https://gist.github.com/flyswatter/5070131
> > > 
> > > -Dan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Michael Scroggins <
> > > michaeljscroggins at gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock
> > > > picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites the
> > > > question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this workshop (in
> > > > the way it was) regrettable? In an environment where the mayor, the chief
> > > > of police and the media have all given the same answer - the class breeds
> > > > criminals - allowing that question is regrettable.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It's regrettable because it gave some easy pickings for the people who
> > > want to portray Oakland, and the current administration, in a certain way.
> > > Many of the people who are upset about the workshop aren't upset about
> > > lockpicking, they're upset that Jean Quan appears to encourage crime in her
> > > newsletter.
> > > 
> > > It's regrettable because it sucked up airwaves and mental effort that
> > > might have been better spent.
> > > 
> > > Drafting a reasoned and reasonable response lowers the blood pressure of
> > > the people who are up in arms just because they aren't informed. Some of
> > > them will come around, especially if they understand the actual intent of
> > > the class.
> > > 
> > > Eddan, I'd like to participate in writing a statement. I was really taken
> > > aback when I read some of the emails and talked to some of the people who
> > > were actually upset.
> > > 
> > > The media storm will blow over with the next foot-in-mouth opportunity
> > > from a local politician, but we have a great opportunity to reach out while
> > > the world is looking.
> > > 
> > > Anca.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > -=-=-=-
> > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > anca at techliminal.com (mailto:anca at techliminal.com)
> > > M: (510) 220-6660
> > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal)
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rusty Lindgren
> **
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/1dae159f/attachment.html>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sudo-discuss mailing list
> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> 
> 
> End of sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4
> ******************************************
> 
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130302/adfdcfcf/attachment.html>