[sudo-discuss] YAY for JENNY!! (Thanks from Timon WAS Re: Conflict resolution item for Wednesday meeting)
Timon
timondocent at gmail.com
Tue Dec 10 11:42:32 PST 2013
Thanks so much for disambiguating! With this additional knowledge, I'm
happy to be removed from the agenda again.
On 12/9/2013 10:14 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
> This is not a sudo room vs Timon conflict - it's a George vs. Timon
> conflict. Having been in the space last night, I can report that
> Matt's call to George was simply a followup to Friday's conversation,
> in which George had told Matt that Timon had been kicked out of the
> building and that he couldn't be in the sudo space. Matt told Timon as
> much, and that his being in the space could jeapordize our lease, and
> Timon peaceably agreed to stay out of sudo room.
>
> Matt followed up with George to say that while we could border the
> boundaries of sudo room proper, and that Timon had agreed to stay out
> of sudo room, we couldn't control who had access to the common space
> (and that Timon was currently in the common space - but he didn't say
> anything about him bothering anyone). At that point, George asked Matt
> to call the police. Matt refused, saying this was an issue between
> George and Timon, and that it was completely out of line to put us
> (sudo room) in the middle of a landlord-tenant conflict. He also asked
> George not to give the police his number.
>
> About 15 minutes later, Matt received a call from the police on behalf
> of Sonitrol (the building's security contractors - George put Matt's
> number as primary point-of-contact several months ago, despite
> numerous requests for him not to). I was also in the room for this
> conversation, and Matt's response was essentially, "This is not our
> issue. The landlord has kicked a tenant out of the building and it's
> between them." Matt answered their questions to the extent of
> supplying them with some descriptive characteristics (name and
> height), but did not provide anything further (no personal complaints
> or allegations). After the call, another sudoer present informed Timon
> that the police had been called by George, and Timon left the common
> space. All present in sudo room at the time were uncomfortable about
> the police being invoked, and none of us would willingly bring them
> into our space regarding a nonviolent interpersonal conflict (had that
> even been the case).
>
> Sudo Room has a conflict resolution process for dealing with conflicts
> in the community that was written in large part by Matt himself.
> However, we have a contractual obligation to our landlord that makes
> this particular situation complicated (as we do not own the building
> and have no jurisdiction over the landlord's decisions). Had Timon
> actually been bothering people in the space at that time, Matt would
> have either talked to him directly or requested mediation by another
> sudoer. Hopefully this is an unintentional miscommunication between
> George and Laurie, but it seems they are trying to put sudo room in
> the middle of their conflict with Timon.
>
> Hoping this clarifies things so we can spend more time on Wednesday
> investigating our new potential spaces rather than a conflict that is
> not, in fact, between Sudo Room and Timon.
>
> Jenny
> http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/>
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>
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> -Laurie Anderson
>
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
> it."
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>
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>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Timon <timondocent at gmail.com
> <mailto:timondocent at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Since I'll be at the meeting, that will be a convenient time to
> have me arrested, if anyone wishes.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: Expulsion from common area
> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 00:08:53 -0800
> From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop at comcast.net>
> <mailto:Lscoop at comcast.net>
> To: 'Timon' <timondocent at gmail.com> <mailto:timondocent at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> p.s. the police came, but we thought it had been cancelled. They were
> called because Matt said that you were bothering people, not because George
> said that you can't be in there. Matt called us, we didn't call him.
> Neither George nor I was privy to what led up to his call. Sonitrol called
> the police and gave them Matt's #. The Police called Matt and Matt said
> that you had left the room and that they didn't need to come, so we thought
> it was done. An hour later we got a call from Matt; they showed up anyway
> and George had to run down there. Not what we wanted on a Sunday eve.
> L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timon [mailto:timondocent at gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:54 PM
> To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen
> Subject: Expulsion from common area
>
> On Friday night after we talked (sometime after 6:15PM, when he'd required
> me to take his appointment), or perhaps between when I made my Monday
> appointment with you yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and when I got back from
> my volunteer/internship gig at about 6pm, George seems to have decided my
> alleged "second chance" (as in "everyone deserves a second chance") was
> retroactively canceled, and told people I was "not allowed" in the building.
>
> After Sudo (Matt) asked me yesterday -- because of some direct communication
> from George I do not know about (between 1:45PM and 6ish
> PM) not to be in the Sudo room part of the common area yesterday night, and
> out of respect for not wanting to put sudo room (the group: my friends and
> colleagues, acquaintances and primary social millieu and
> support) in a difficult place, I retrieved a few possessions and donations
> and then left both sudo room's room and their common area section, and have
> not returned, as I told everyone I would not.
>
> Tonight, as I was peacefully eating my dinner and listening to a good
> physics and game-theory lecture/conversation from OUTSIDE of the Sudo area
> today, Matt handed me a phone, and said it was George. (I told George I was
> recording it, mid-call, and he did not voice objection).
>
> Per George, Matt had asked that I be required to leave. After George hung up
> on me, saying he'd called the cops and would not "repeat himself " as I
> asked for clarification, I found out the request didn't come from George.
>
> I will not be in the common area, unless invited by The Public School, until
> we talk. I doubt I would even if so invited, out of respect for anyone else
> who should be spared this drama.
>
> Feel free to cancel the call to the cops or not, as you see fit.
>
> -Timon
>
>
>
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