[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Alex U]

Yeah I think it would be a good idea to check our privilege when
discussing safety on the street. White males have the privilege of
feeling safe in almost every environment. This is a privilege that our
female/queer/trans*/poc  in our community may not have. This is not
meant to discredit what anyone had said.

On 12/02/2013 07:53 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
> Chris maybe wasn't trying to say 'blame the victim,' but that is definitely
> what he wound up saying.
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013, David Keenan wrote:
>
>> Whoa! I don't think Chris is saying 'Blame the victim' at all. We've
>> probably all been in dicey situations and been threatened at the very
>> least, emotions run high on this issue but I'd urge you not to channel your
>> anger around that on Chris. To my mind, he's just saying we all have to be
>> aware of our surroundings and safety no matter where we are, which makes
>> sense. Not that its the victim's fault. As Bruce Schneier has outlined,
>> there are tradeoffs between freedom and safety that we navigate every day -
>> sometimes we suffer because of it, and that fucking sucks, but does that
>> mean we all should move to the suburbs? I've been robbed in my own home,
>> which feels a damn sight safer than walking down Broadway, and I think that
>> was Chris's point. Please don't accuse him of siding with muggers or some
>> such sentiment. No one's going there -
>>
>> Love,
>> David
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
>>
>>> Re. Sonja:
>>>
>>> Exactly what I've done: not gone back to SudoRoom after having had a gun
>>> pointed at my guts right in the doorway.  Chances are at least one person
>>> reading this is pleased with that outcome, but at least four I know aren't.
>>>
>>> Re. ChrisBee:
>>>
>>> Right, blame the fucking victims, three or four of us that I know of
>>> who've been robbed, assaulted, or had car windows smashed and stuff stolen
>>> coming & going from SR or parked nearby, and possibly one or two I missed.
>>>
>>> Let's see, where have we heard your line of bullshit before?... she
>>> shouldn't have been wearing those clothes either...?  I take it you agree
>>> with that too.
>>>
>>> I'll quote you directly for what comes next, just so the context of my
>>> reply is clear:
>>>
>>> "Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about
>>> this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I
>>> think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I
>>> don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying."
>>>
>>> So it's "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption" to value being in a safe
>>> location where you're less likely to be subjected to violence on the
>>> street?  I'm going to say something to you that I haven't said to anyone in
>>> a damn long time:  Go fuck yourself.
>>>
>>> -G.
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-12-02-Mon 6:02 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah but what if taking responsibility for your safety means not going
>>> where you've been robbed before?
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote:
>>>
>>>  (shakes head, sighs)
>>>
>>> I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases, putting the
>>> onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is totally missing the point that
>>> YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, full stop. Saying that you are
>>> (relatively) more or less safe depending on where you are is...is...well,
>>> it's wrong thinking on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin.
>>>
>>>  Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about
>>> this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I
>>> think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I
>>> don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I
>>> like and respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm pointing this out.
>>> I don't want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of security/anxiety by
>>> thinking that just because you're in one area bad shit is less prone to
>>> happen to you, or vice versa. It's on all of us to be aware of what's going
>>> on around us and to be prepared to deal with whatever situations may come
>>> our way, alone or otherwise. Good Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops
>>> are...well, the odds of them being there when you "need" them (I personally
>>> don't) are next to nil, and they only seem to make things complicated after
>>> the fact.
>>>
>>>  What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space that meets
>>> the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL.
>>>
>>>  Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many important
>>> discussions get derailed like this, and right now I think this is pretty
>>> high on our list of immediate concerns.
>>>
>>>  And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue I'm all
>>> ears/eyes.
>>>
>>>  Respectfully,
>>>
>>>  -chrisbee
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and Alice is - I saw
>>> "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you were talking about w Oakland
>>> BART.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>>>
>>> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
>>> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
>>> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>>>
>>>  Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
>>> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
>>> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
>>> similar to
>>>
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