[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space
GtwoG PublicOhOne
g2g-public01 at att.net
Mon Dec 2 18:54:23 PST 2013
Re. Sonja:
Exactly what I've done: not gone back to SudoRoom after having had a gun
pointed at my guts right in the doorway. Chances are at least one
person reading this is pleased with that outcome, but at least four I
know aren't.
Re. ChrisBee:
Right, blame the fucking victims, three or four of us that I know of
who've been robbed, assaulted, or had car windows smashed and stuff
stolen coming & going from SR or parked nearby, and possibly one or two
I missed.
Let's see, where have we heard your line of bullshit before?... she
shouldn't have been wearing those clothes either...? I take it you
agree with that too.
I'll quote you directly for what comes next, just so the context of my
reply is clear:
"Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about
this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area"
I think "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I
don't know what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying."
So it's "privilege/entitlement/self-absorption" to value being in a safe
location where you're less likely to be subjected to violence on the
street? I'm going to say something to you that I haven't said to anyone
in a damn long time: Go fuck yourself.
-G.
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On 13-12-02-Mon 6:02 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
> Yeah but what if taking responsibility for your safety means not going
> where you've been robbed before?
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote:
>
> (shakes head, sighs)
>
> I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases, putting
> the onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is totally missing
> the point that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, full stop.
> Saying that you are (relatively) more or less safe depending on
> where you are is...is...well, it's wrong thinking on so many
> levels that I don't even know where to begin.
>
> Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions
> about this based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to
> such-and-such area" I think "Wow, if that isn't
> privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know what is."
> Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I like and
> respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm pointing this out.
> I don't want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of
> security/anxiety by thinking that just because you're in one area
> bad shit is less prone to happen to you, or vice versa. It's on
> all of us to be aware of what's going on around us and to be
> prepared to deal with whatever situations may come our way, alone
> or otherwise. Good Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops
> are...well, the odds of them being there when you "need" them (I
> personally don't) are next to nil, and they only seem to make
> things complicated after the fact.
>
> What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space that
> meets the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL.
>
> Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many
> important discussions get derailed like this, and right now I
> think this is pretty high on our list of immediate concerns.
>
> And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue I'm
> all ears/eyes.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> -chrisbee
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss
> <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and Alice
> is - I saw "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you were
> talking about w Oakland BART.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty
> mixed" racially and culturally, what is it that leads you
> to conclude that Amber was talking about black people, and
> commenting on race?
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss
> <sonja.trauss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did
> you know, some of them like coffee shops also? some of
> them can read? Some of them have computers? Some of
> them might become sudo members? Black people are
> pretty similar to white people and like lots of the
> same things!!! Wow.
>
> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots
> burners and anarchists there that would like sudo room
> too. My roommate Randall will be there every day if
> you move to 8th and Alice.
>
> Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried
> about the harmful effects of gentrification, I'm happy
> to brainstorm how to accomplish these two specific goals:
> Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing
> projects move or be converted. (This will not be a
> real concern for 25 years, but still)
> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main
> attractive feature of w O is cheapness of rent. We
> still have plenty of empty space. There is no reason
> that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for
> 50 more years SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION
> concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> Everybody has different views on gentrification.
> But speaking for myself, the kind that bothers me
> is the high-security condos with on-site parking
> where rich people get cheap real estate and then
> have zero incentive or inclination to engage with
> their neighbors. They drive to work, drive to
> Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on
> their balconies while their neighbors push
> shopping carts by their fortresslike front doors
> to the recycling center.
>
> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not
> build the kind of community that everybody wants
> to participate in, but it does offer
> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker
> space. It's hard for me to imagine Sudo Room doing
> damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
> unexpected happened, I think its community would
> act quickly to correct the problem.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber .
> <amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It should be noted that aiming for a space in
> a "less-gentrified" neighborhood does overlook
> the possibility that Sudo's presence would
> have a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?
>
> -amber
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul
> <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>
> Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at
> another space that could potentially be a
> new sudo space.
>
> We've started gathering information about
> it here:
>
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>
> My personal feeling about the space is:
>
> This is an awesome space with lots of
> natural light. It addresses two of the
> major concerns raised about The Omni in
> being two blocks from BART in a
> neighborhood that seems/feels safer than
> the area around MacArthur BART, and in
> being located in a less gentrified
> neighborhood. The one drawback in
> comparing it to the current space and The
> Omni is the lack of a big separate common
> area for events. It is _very_ similar to
> Noisebridge in almost every way.
>
>
>
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