[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Sonja Trauss]

Yeah but what if taking responsibility for your safety means not going
where you've been robbed before?

On Monday, December 2, 2013, Chris Bee wrote:

> (shakes head, sighs)
>
> I've said it before and I'll say it again...in most cases, putting the
> onus of personal safety on a neighborhood is totally missing the point that
> YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY, full stop. Saying that you are
> (relatively) more or less safe depending on where you are is...is...well,
> it's wrong thinking on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin.
>
> Feel free to disagree with me, but when I hear/read discussions about this
> based around "how safe is so-and-so compared to such-and-such area" I think
> "Wow, if that isn't privilege/entitlement/self-absorption then I don't know
> what is." Not saying that any of you are, but I'm just saying. I like and
> respect my sudo peoples...a lot. That's why I'm pointing this out. I don't
> want anyone to be lulled into a false sense of security/anxiety by thinking
> that just because you're in one area bad shit is less prone to happen to
> you, or vice versa. It's on all of us to be aware of what's going on around
> us and to be prepared to deal with whatever situations may come our way,
> alone or otherwise. Good Samaritans notwithstanding, the cops are...well,
> the odds of them being there when you "need" them (I personally don't) are
> next to nil, and they only seem to make things complicated after the fact.
>
> What we should be focused on is locating an affordable space that meets
> the needs of BAPS/sudo/CCL.
>
> Sorry if I seem a little impatient but I've seen too many important
> discussions get derailed like this, and right now I think this is pretty
> high on our list of immediate concerns.
>
> And again, If anyone wants to straighten me out on this issue I'm all
> ears/eyes.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> -chrisbee
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Oh man I'm I total idiot, I just realized where 8th and Alice is - I saw
> "8th st" and "near BART" and thought you were talking about w Oakland BART.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed" racially
> and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber was
> talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of them
> like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have computers?
> Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty similar to
> white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>
> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>
>  Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
> two specific goals:
> Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or be
> converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still)
> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of w
> O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for myself,
> the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site parking
> where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero incentive or
> inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to work, drive to
> Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their balconies while their
> neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike front doors to the
> recycling center.
>
> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
> community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer
> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
> problem.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
> amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
> neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have
> a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?
>
> -amber
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>
> Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could
> potentially be a new sudo space.
>
> We've started gathering information about it here:
>
>   https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>
> My personal feeling about the space is:
>
> This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of
> the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a
> neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART,
> and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in
> comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big
> separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in
> almost every way.
>
>
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