[sudo-discuss] Michael Orange - film events - Battle for Brooklyn - any sudo members interested in an intro?
Anon195714
anon195714 at sbcglobal.net
Thu Apr 11 10:52:57 PDT 2013
Let's be really clear about this:
This is the explicit language in the sign-up document:
"Subscribing to sudo-discuss
Subscribe to sudo-discuss by filling out the following form. You will be
sent email requesting confirmation, to prevent others from gratuitously
subscribing you. This is a private list, which means that the list of
members is not available to non-members."
"THIS IS A PRIVATE LIST, WHICH MEANS THAT THE LIST OF MEMBERS IS NOT
AVAILABLE TO NON MEMBERS."
That's a representation of a material fact. And the link to the archive
says NOTHING about that archive being anything that would violate or
contradict the language I quoted above: no disclosure, no nothing.
Blatant misrepresentation.
"May need to be doing a better job" is the understatement of the year.
The answer is, I'm going to hold SudoRoom to the terms & conditions I
signed, and that material is going to be taken down immediately until
such time as anything I've posted in it can be removed from any publicly
searchable content. This is not optional, any more than free repair
under warranty is optional, or the absence of horsemeat in "100% beef
frankfurters" is optional.
I'm holding SudoRoom to its stated language.
-G.
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On 13-04-11-Thu 10:42 AM, Marina Kukso wrote:
> hi george,
>
> i'm very sorry that you feel that you did not consent to having this
> information public. this list has been publicly archived since it
> began and i think that we've tried to make that clear (although it
> seems that we may need to be doing a better job!).
>
> unfortunately i'm not sure to what extent the "welcome to sudo-discuss
> list" email that new list members receive includes information about
> content being publicly archived (could someone help with this?), but
> perhaps we may need to make this more explicit in that letter.
>
> for additional background on why we made the decision to publicly
> archive contents, the idea is not necessarily to promote "transparency
> and openness" as a matter of principle only, but because part of what
> we wanted to do with sudo room is to make our history as easy for
> others to use as possible so that others who are starting and running
> hackerspaces can learn from our experience and discussion. in other
> words, to facilitate ctrl-c/ctrl-v of hackerspaces around the world.
>
> - marina
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Right, and when you slip LSD into the fruit punch at a party and
> don't tell anyone, do you justify that by saying you're trying to
> encourage enlightenment? Who needs informed consent anyway,
> right? Hey, who needs consent of any kind?
>
> Sorry yo, that don't go. It's NON CONSENSUAL, like seducing
> someone and failing to disclose to them that you have STDs. It's
> a trust-break in a big way.
>
> I'm asserting my right to put this on the meeting agenda for next
> Wednesday, and pull in any record of anything I signed that
> contained TOS.
>
> Let me be really clear about this: I'm as serious as a fucking
> heart attack about this, and anyone who thinks it's a joke is
> fucking sick.
>
> This "open and transparent" stuff is starting to become a chant
> fit for a cult, that short-circuits reason and critical thinking.
> In reality it's a house of one-way mirrors foisted by the powerful
> on the masses to enable "prediction and control" down to the level
> of the individual.
>
> Enough was enough long ago, just like muggings and the rest of it.
>
> -G.
>
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13-04-11-Thu 10:07 AM, mattsenate at gmail.com
> <mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We set the list up to be public in an effort to remain as
>> transparent and open as possible. This is a blessing and a
>> burden. We should be mindful of the scope of our language and
>> interested in maintaining private conversation off the list.
>>
>> Additionally, if you seek a lot of privacy, I don't recommend
>> communicating over the internet if it can be helped.
>>
>> // Matt
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net>
>> <mailto:kinetical at comcast.net>
>> To: "Romy Ilano" <romy at snowyla.com> <mailto:romy at snowyla.com>
>> Cc: "sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>> <mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Michael Orange - film events - Battle for
>> Brooklyn - any sudo members interested in an intro?
>> Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:54 AM
>>
>>
>> Sudoers,
>>
>> Why does our discussion list have to be published on the
>> internet? I don't personally want it to be that public. Who
>> decided it should be done that way, and is there another option?
>>
>> Tracy
>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com
>> <mailto:romy at snowyla.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey here is one of the film events that Michael Orange from top
>>> 10 social is presenting.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/563556023675662/?notif_t=plan_user_invited
>>>
>>> Michael's also working with the Oakland Library as well,so I'll
>>> mention the history wki people from sudoroom are there!
>>>
>>>
>>> this probably isn't necessary for anyone here... but in case one
>>> or two people gets the temptation:
>>>
>>> -- Michael Orange is an all around good guy--please treat him
>>> well, minimize over the top business plans, "industry type
>>> behavior", and approach him as you would a family member. If we
>>> talk to him the wrong way it will be a smear on my reputation
>>> and his opinion matters a lot to me. =D
>>>
>>>
>>>
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