[sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8
Cyrus Farivar
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Thu Apr 4 13:28:42 PDT 2013
As a dues-paying member—can/do I automatically have 24/7 access?
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> 1. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (Rick Karnesky)
> 2. new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply to
> list) (Max Klein)
> 3. Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web Development, April
> 15: FIRST CLASS of the new series! (Naomi Most)
> 4. Re: new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply
> to list) (Marina Kukso)
> 5. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health: Resistant bugs generally.
> (Anon195714)
> 6. Re: new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply
> to list) (Anon195714)
> 7. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (aestetix)
> 8. Re: Survey on Money at the space(please reply to this)
> (rusty lindgren)
> 9. Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
> (rusty lindgren)
> 10. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
> (Anon195714)
> 11. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
> (Yardena Cohen)
> 12. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
> (Sonja Trauss)
> 13. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
> (Marina Kukso)
> 14. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (Romy Ilano)
> 15. Re: Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and the absence
> therein) (Hol Gaskill)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:12:05 -0700
> From: Rick Karnesky <karnesky at gmail.com (mailto:karnesky at gmail.com)>
> To: Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi at gmail.com (mailto:vknoxsironi at gmail.com)>
> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health
> Message-ID: <515DB465.4050806 at gmail.com (mailto:515DB465.4050806 at gmail.com)>
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> A few leads on the topic, courtesy of Bart Bernhardt (who had answered a
> call for ideas on a broader subject for Valentine's Day this year). Kyle
> and people from AE did a show-and-tell for the Commonwealth Club
>
> ---
>
> "- Kyle Machulis is a whip-smart brash software engineer who, on the
> side, blogs about teleldildonics (using haptic and telecommunications
> technology to facilitate long-distance sex), DIY sex toys, and other
> mash-ups of sex and tech. He's really fun. http://slashdong.org/
>
> - Long, long ago, the Exploratorium Biology dept had an exhibit that was
> something like "The Olfaction of Attraction" and had little squeeze
> bottles with human pheromones in them. Depending on your genes and
> gender, you may find the smell either repulsive or attractive. This
> would make a great interactive station. It's fantastic seeing two
> people, one with a look of disgust and the other with a pleased smile,
> trying to reconcile their different perceptions.
>
> - The Archaeology of Vice. Kari Jones and Liz Clevinger work in the
> archaeology programs at the Presidio of San Francisco. Among the things
> unearthed? Well, the archeological record suggests that, shockingly,
> soldiers stationed there liked sex, based on the wide range of vintage
> porn, prophylactics, and medically-dubious STD cures dug up in the
> Presidio."
>
> --Rick
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:16:05 -0700
> From: Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com (mailto:isalix at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition
> (not reply to list)
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> I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us alone about
> our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to use their "Forms" for
> this survey
>
> IF you've already replied to list:
> don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses
> ELSE:
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing
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> IF interested in revamping questions:
> form is openly editable
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> Max
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> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:31:30 -0700
> From: Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com (mailto:pnaomi at gmail.com)>
> To: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)"
> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web
> Development, April 15: FIRST CLASS of the new series!
> Message-ID:
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> This is a very good class, always full. Very good for beginners and
> doesn't stop at HTML/CSS/js.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com (mailto:jeffreyatw at gmail.com)>
> Date: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web Development, April 15: FIRST
> CLASS of the new series!
> To: "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net (mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net)" <
> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net (mailto:noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net)>,
> noisebridge-announce at lists.noisebridge.net (mailto:noisebridge-announce at lists.noisebridge.net), webdev at lists.noisebridge.net (mailto:webdev at lists.noisebridge.net)
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>
> I'm taking a week's break and returning April 15!
>
> Learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript - and put them to good use! This weekly
> lecture series, taught by Jeffrey Carl Faden, is aimed at complete
> beginners who are interested in making websites, as well as seasoned
> professionals looking to brush up on the latest and greatest.
>
> Frontend web development is all about making code that runs in the
> browser (versus code that runs on the server). There isn't a big focus
> on web design (creating wireframes and mockups), but we do cover best
> practices for turning these designs into beautiful code.
>
> This is the first class of a new series of classes. If you or your
> friends been waiting to jump in from the very beginning, this is the
> class to take - so spread the word. We'll cover the very basics:
> - Explaining "frontend" vs. "backend"
> - Discussing tools of the trade
> - Explaining the separation between structure, presentation, and behavior
> - Writing a basic HTML page
> - Styling the page with basic CSS
> - Explaining the role of frontend web development as a job and career
>
> The class starts on Monday, April 15 at 8pm, and goes until 10pm! Plan to
> arrive EARLY, as the class will probably fill up very fast.
>
> If you can't make it to this week's lecture, you can watch a live
> video stream of the class. Join this Google+ Event to be notified of
> when to hop on:
> *https://plus.google.com/events/cgs3kmasqdu7f7s7i644i5f7e9g*
> This video stream will also be available to watch after the class is
> complete.
>
> This class and the space in which it's taught are entirely free to
> attend. Please bring a laptop. Read all of the details here:
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development
>
> Jeffrey
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> --
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> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:33:15 -0700
> From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com (mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com)>
> To: Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com (mailto:isalix at gmail.com)>
> Cc: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)"
> <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms
> edition (not reply to list)
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> hi everyone,
>
> that's the link to edit the form. please complete the form here:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform
>
> thanks,
> marina
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com (mailto:isalix at gmail.com)> wrote:
>
> > I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us alone about
> > our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to use their "Forms" for
> > this survey
> >
> > IF you've already replied to list:
> > don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses
> > ELSE:
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > IF interested in revamping questions:
> > form is openly editable
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:01:21 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> To: Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi at gmail.com (mailto:vknoxsironi at gmail.com)>
> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health: Resistant bugs
> generally.
> Message-ID: <515DBFF1.50903 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:515DBFF1.50903 at sbcglobal.net)>
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>
> ... which reminds me: RESISTANT STRAINS. Not just sexually transmitted
> but other as well.
>
> Resistant gonorrhea, and other resistant bugs, for which the treatments
> that worked in the past are now not working.
>
> Thanks to massive abuse of antibiotics in agriculture, and also thanks
> to humans who misuse antibiotics in various ways, we are rapidly heading
> for the "pre-antibiotic" era all over again. The whole topic of
> antibiotics and resistance ought to be on our agenda, including
> non-sexually-transmitted resistant bacteria such as MRSA
> (methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus) and MDRTB
> (multi-drug-resistant and massively-drug-resistant tuberculosis), and
> XDRTB (extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis).
>
> Tuberculosis is a big deal in certain parts of the Bay Area including
> San Francisco and Oakland. There are certain bus lines in SF that
> doctors & nurses call "TB runs" because taking those buses entails a
> high risk of exposure to TB.
>
> For that matter we should also be thinking about emerging influenza
> strains such as the new variant of avian flu (H5N9 if I recall
> correctly) that's just killed five people in China, and the other new
> virus that's killed a half dozen or so in the Middle East and England:
> right now these seem like tiny isolated events, but any new flu strain
> has the risk of turning out to be another monster pandemic that causes
> millions of deaths in months. Viruses of course are not treated with
> antibiotics, but are relevant because they are infectious/contagious.
>
> These things are killers, and death by untreatable infection is nasty in
> the utmost.
>
> Minus antibiotics again, sanitation & hygiene, safe food preparation,
> and safe sexual practices, become that much more important.
>
> One thing everyone can do starting right now, is wash hands a) after
> using the toilet, b) before preparing food, and c) before eating: every
> time, no exceptions. Toward that end we can make sure that the
> bathrooms and kitchen in the common spaces, and the industrial sink in
> our space, all have bottles of hand-washing soap and paper towels at all
> times.
>
> -G.
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13-04-04-Thu 9:53 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
> > WOW. OK, where to start?
> >
> > First off: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Today_I_Learned#May_4
> >
> > Table of Contents
> > @Masturbation Lib and Teledildonics
> > @Men
> > @Gonorrhea
> > @Sudo Room Donations
> > @Community Infrastructure
> >
> > @Masturbation Liberation and Teledildonics: Anon195's ideas are
> > amaaaazing! I've been fascinated by teledildonics ever since I heard
> > of the existence of Ted Nelson.
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics>
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson>
> > The closest thing to that that I've run into via the hackerspaces has
> > been the Dongiverse, which is cool except that I wouldn't want a
> > sharp, porous plastic dong up any of my orifices. <http://dongiverse.com/>
> > Maybe a class field trip to Arse Elektronica 2013? (AE is an annual SF
> > sex and technology event/conference/thingy.) Or how about getting in
> > touch with their organizers to see if they'd like to collaborate on a
> > workshop? Ooh ideas! <http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/>
> > Masturbation liberation: Fuck yeah! I think this should be its own TIL
> > and I'm ready to make it happen. Wanna chose a date, Anon195? Or would
> > you like to wait on that until we talk more and/or contact our
> > contacts (such as AE)?
> > **So who's got the teledildonics connection?
> >
> > @Men: Would there be any interest in formulating a men's meetup to
> > talk about, you know, stuff?
> >
> > @Gonorrhea: I think the greatest workshops I've ever been to have been
> > variety hours. It's absolutely lovely and fascinating to have
> > educational interludes, kind of like exploring Wikipedia's
> > intertwingularity (see Ted Nelson article). May 4th is reserved! Does
> > anyone else have an educational interlude they'd like to add to
> > Hacking Menstruation?
> >
> > @Sudo Room Donations: These events are the perfect opportunity for us
> > to pounce upon unsuspecting donors. Please reach far and wide into
> > your networks to advertise this. I'll send a follow-up reminder!
> >
> > @Community infrastructure: A random hack of kindness will soon be
> > making its way toward Sudo Room.
> >
> >
> > 2013/4/4 Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com (mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com)
> > <mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com>>
> >
> > excellent.
> >
> > i think this also presents an excellent opportunity for discussing
> > what kind of (light) infrastructure would facilitate reproductive
> > and sexual health at the space - very basic stuff, tampons etc.,
> > but also community infrastructure - are we living up to our goal
> > of being inclusive by providing options in both the physical and
> > community dimensions of the space that allow everyone to feel at
> > home. everyone should be a part of this discussion and i would
> > love to speak more with women, queer folks, people of all stripes
> > about it.
> >
> > - marina
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Rouskey
> > <craigrouskey at gmail.com <mailto:craigrouskey at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I would be down to talk about Gonorrhea and plug our program
> > to eradicate the antibiotic resistant strains! May 4 th
> >
> > ?
> > Sent from Mailbox <https://bit.ly/SZvoJe> for iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Anon195714
> > <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yo's-
> >
> > Re. "What does it mean to hack sexual health...?"
> >
> > Here's one example. For years I've had a slogan I tell
> > people (typically guys) whose sex drive is on overdrive to
> > the point where it warps their attitude toward others
> > (typically gals):
> >
> > "Masturbate and keep your objectivity."
> >
> > 70% of guys "admit" that they play with themselves, and
> > the other 30% are lying. Yet the hypocrisy around this
> > subject is just astounding, and the result is that
> > physical needs become conflated with social attitudes and
> > generate oppression of self and oppression of others.
> >
> > Envision a culture where relationships are based on
> > partners feeding each other (as in, holding the forks and
> > spoons full of food up to each others' mouths during a
> > meal) instead of on people having sex with each other.
> > People would run around frantically seeking partners
> > because otherwise they'd either have to feed themselves
> > (oh!, the embarrassment!) or go hungry and die.
> >
> > That's where our culture is about sex. It's crazy.
> >
> > So I'd suggest "masturbation liberation" as a sexuality
> > hacking topic.
> >
> > It even has major potential for cybernetic devices and
> > interfaces and online communication enhancements.
> >
> > "Did you try building the new Orgasmatron?"
> >
> > "Yeah. The interface works pretty well, but there's a bug
> > in the code, so I patched it. Wanna' download my version,
> > see what you think?"
> >
> > Later.... "Hey, your version's a lot better than the
> > original. Now I was thinking, the interface could be
> > improved. Here, I'll make one for you on the 3D printer."
> >
> > "Oh, cool, yeah I like your CAD diagram, I think it'll
> > work, so go ahead and print one for me..."
> >
> > Here's another potential topic:
> >
> > Chastity belts for men in cultures that oppress women (for
> > example by making women wear oppressive shapeless garments
> > from head to toe, that barely leave enough of an opening
> > for their eyes to see the world).
> >
> > Even one decent prototype would stir up a bunch of
> > publicity about the subject, and hopefully generate some
> > embarrassment on the part of men whose answer to their own
> > weaknesses is to oppress women. "Stop the problem at its
> > source: the dirty minds of men!"
> >
> > OK, enough for one night;-)
> >
> > -G.
> >
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> > On 13-04-04-Thu 12:18 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
> > > Tonight during the general meeting I proposed the Today I
> > > Learned event "Hacking Sexual Health". I'd like to open
> > > up the floor to multiple facilitators interested in this
> > > topic area to help me lead either one TIL workshop, or a
> > > series of workshops if there is sufficient excitement.
> > > Hacking Sexual Health is intended for sexual and asexual
> > > people alike.
> > >
> > > So what does it mean to hack sexual health? Ruminate on
> > > it. :]
> > >
> > > My personal interest is hacking menstruation. I'd like to
> > > lead a workshop for creating cloth pads out of recycled
> > > clothing. The workshop is intended both for people who
> > > menstruate and for people who have friends who menstruate
> > > (and want to make them lovely presents!). We will go over
> > > different lady product options and have fun
> > > cost-comparisons for different products and unproducts.
> > >
> > > I will be reserving either April 27th or May 4th upon
> > > consulting my secretary. :P
> > >
> > > Please contact me if you are interested in developing
> > > your own workshop or helping me to facilitate
> > > menstruation hacking!
> > >
> > > ykciV
> > >
> > > PS: Clothing hackers, you know who you are!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:05:36 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> To: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com (mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com)>
> Cc: Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com (mailto:isalix at gmail.com)>, "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)"
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> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms
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>
> I posted my answers to the list, and I'm not going to go to a Google
> site that will probably stick me with some kind of tracking cookies that
> can't easily be flushed out of my browser.
>
> Really: expecting people to expose themselves to being data-mined,
> tracked, and otherwise bugged is not consensual and not cool.
>
> "Don't become an unpaid surveillance drone."
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
> On 13-04-04-Thu 10:33 AM, Marina Kukso wrote:
> > hi everyone,
> >
> > that's the link to edit the form. please complete the form
> > here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform
> >
> > thanks,
> > marina
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com (mailto:isalix at gmail.com)
> > <mailto:isalix at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us
> > alone about our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to
> > use their "Forms" for this survey
> >
> > IF you've already replied to list:
> > don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses
> > ELSE:
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > IF interested in revamping questions:
> > form is openly editable
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
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> From: aestetix <aestetix at aestetix.com (mailto:aestetix at aestetix.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health
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> Kyle (who made Teledildonics) is a good friend, I could reach out and
> see if he'd be interested in doing a workshop.
>
> Johannes (of AE) rocks, I don't know when the next time he'll be in
> the US is though, he's from Austria.
>
> Just another thought: maybe reach out to the Oakland Good Vibrations
> shop and see if someone would be interested in teaching safety/etc?
>
> I am super happy to see this coming up, thanks for proposing it, Vicky!
>
> On 4/4/13 9:53 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
> > WOW. OK, where to start?
> >
> > First off: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Today_I_Learned#May_4
> >
> > Table of Contents @Masturbation Lib and Teledildonics @Men
> > @Gonorrhea @Sudo Room Donations @Community Infrastructure
> >
> > @Masturbation Liberation and Teledildonics: Anon195's ideas are
> > amaaaazing! I've been fascinated by teledildonics ever since I
> > heard of the existence of Ted Nelson.
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics>
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson> The closest thing to that
> > that I've run into via the hackerspaces has been the Dongiverse,
> > which is cool except that I wouldn't want a sharp, porous plastic
> > dong up any of my orifices. <http://dongiverse.com/> Maybe a class
> > field trip to Arse Elektronica 2013? (AE is an annual SF sex and
> > technology event/conference/thingy.) Or how about getting in touch
> > with their organizers to see if they'd like to collaborate on a
> > workshop? Ooh ideas! <http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/>
> > Masturbation liberation: Fuck yeah! I think this should be its own
> > TIL and I'm ready to make it happen. Wanna chose a date, Anon195?
> > Or would you like to wait on that until we talk more and/or contact
> > our contacts (such as AE)? **So who's got the teledildonics
> > connection?
> >
> > @Men: Would there be any interest in formulating a men's meetup to
> > talk about, you know, stuff?
> >
> > @Gonorrhea: I think the greatest workshops I've ever been to have
> > been variety hours. It's absolutely lovely and fascinating to have
> > educational interludes, kind of like exploring Wikipedia's
> > intertwingularity (see Ted Nelson article). May 4th is reserved!
> > Does anyone else have an educational interlude they'd like to add
> > to Hacking Menstruation?
> >
> > @Sudo Room Donations: These events are the perfect opportunity for
> > us to pounce upon unsuspecting donors. Please reach far and wide
> > into your networks to advertise this. I'll send a follow-up
> > reminder!
> >
> > @Community infrastructure: A random hack of kindness will soon be
> > making its way toward Sudo Room.
> >
> >
> > 2013/4/4 Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com (mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com)
> > <mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com>>
> >
> > excellent.
> >
> > i think this also presents an excellent opportunity for discussing
> > what kind of (light) infrastructure would facilitate reproductive
> > and sexual health at the space - very basic stuff, tampons etc.,
> > but also community infrastructure - are we living up to our goal
> > of being inclusive by providing options in both the physical and
> > community dimensions of the space that allow everyone to feel at
> > home. everyone should be a part of this discussion and i would
> > love to speak more with women, queer folks, people of all stripes
> > about it.
> >
> > - marina
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Rouskey
> > <craigrouskey at gmail.com <mailto:craigrouskey at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I would be down to talk about Gonorrhea and plug our program to
> > eradicate the antibiotic resistant strains! May 4 th
> >
> > ? Sent from Mailbox <https://bit.ly/SZvoJe> for iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Anon195714
> > <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yo's-
> >
> > Re. "What does it mean to hack sexual health...?"
> >
> > Here's one example. For years I've had a slogan I tell people
> > (typically guys) whose sex drive is on overdrive to the point where
> > it warps their attitude toward others (typically gals):
> >
> > "Masturbate and keep your objectivity."
> >
> > 70% of guys "admit" that they play with themselves, and the other
> > 30% are lying. Yet the hypocrisy around this subject is just
> > astounding, and the result is that physical needs become conflated
> > with social attitudes and generate oppression of self and
> > oppression of others.
> >
> > Envision a culture where relationships are based on partners
> > feeding each other (as in, holding the forks and spoons full of
> > food up to each others' mouths during a meal) instead of on people
> > having sex with each other. People would run around frantically
> > seeking partners because otherwise they'd either have to feed
> > themselves (oh!, the embarrassment!) or go hungry and die.
> >
> > That's where our culture is about sex. It's crazy.
> >
> > So I'd suggest "masturbation liberation" as a sexuality hacking
> > topic.
> >
> > It even has major potential for cybernetic devices and interfaces
> > and online communication enhancements.
> >
> > "Did you try building the new Orgasmatron?"
> >
> > "Yeah. The interface works pretty well, but there's a bug in the
> > code, so I patched it. Wanna' download my version, see what you
> > think?"
> >
> > Later.... "Hey, your version's a lot better than the original. Now
> > I was thinking, the interface could be improved. Here, I'll make
> > one for you on the 3D printer."
> >
> > "Oh, cool, yeah I like your CAD diagram, I think it'll work, so go
> > ahead and print one for me..."
> >
> > Here's another potential topic:
> >
> > Chastity belts for men in cultures that oppress women (for example
> > by making women wear oppressive shapeless garments from head to
> > toe, that barely leave enough of an opening for their eyes to see
> > the world).
> >
> > Even one decent prototype would stir up a bunch of publicity about
> > the subject, and hopefully generate some embarrassment on the part
> > of men whose answer to their own weaknesses is to oppress women.
> > "Stop the problem at its source: the dirty minds of men!"
> >
> > OK, enough for one night;-)
> >
> > -G.
> >
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> > On 13-04-04-Thu 12:18 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
> > > Tonight during the general meeting I proposed the Today I Learned
> > > event "Hacking Sexual Health". I'd like to open up the floor to
> > > multiple facilitators interested in this topic area to help me
> > > lead either one TIL workshop, or a series of workshops if there
> > > is sufficient excitement. Hacking Sexual Health is intended for
> > > sexual and asexual people alike.
> > >
> > > So what does it mean to hack sexual health? Ruminate on it. :]
> > >
> > > My personal interest is hacking menstruation. I'd like to lead a
> > > workshop for creating cloth pads out of recycled clothing. The
> > > workshop is intended both for people who menstruate and for
> > > people who have friends who menstruate (and want to make them
> > > lovely presents!). We will go over different lady product options
> > > and have fun cost-comparisons for different products and
> > > unproducts.
> > >
> > > I will be reserving either April 27th or May 4th upon consulting
> > > my secretary. :P
> > >
> > > Please contact me if you are interested in developing your own
> > > workshop or helping me to facilitate menstruation hacking!
> > >
> > > ykciV
> > >
> > > PS: Clothing hackers, you know who you are!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
> > > mailing list sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > <mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:42:46 -0700
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-announce at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-announce at lists.sudoroom.org),
> "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)" <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Survey on Money at the space(please reply
> to this)
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> Hey Everyone,
>
> There have been some pretty legitimate issues around dues and access raised
> on this thread, not really having to do with payment, so I'll start another
> thread, but so far... I think biggest is the issue of instant 24/7 access.
>
> I'm moving that discussion to another thread.
>
> -Rusty
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> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:56:56 -0700
> From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And
> how?
> Message-ID:
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> Hey Everyone,
>
> Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues
> thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),
> has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably
> mostly because of time.
>
> Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
> access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
> sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
> here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
> space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
> something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
> this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
> we've had really shitty access up until now.
>
> I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying to
> see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for
> some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is
> true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if
> we do decide on it being okay for members to do.
>
> If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really is
> about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and
> establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rusty
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> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:17:32 -0700
> From: Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net (mailto:anon195714 at sbcglobal.net)>
> To: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
> And how?
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>
>
> 24/7 card key access for trusted members is good. But it should be
> considered a privilege, not a right, and not something everyone gets,
> and certainly not something people get instantly when they sign up.
>
> 24/7 card key access immediately upon signing the membership list is
> bad, bad, bad, it's an invitation to all manner of creeps, crooks, and
> potential theft & violence, and I'll hard block it in a ten-second
> minute on the basis of the "safe space" principal.
>
> "Open" is not synonymous with "easy."
>
> Sorry to be taking a hard line on this, but the last thing we need is
> for someone to get robbed or raped by some creep who figured us for an
> easy target. The stakes are too high, and the benefits aren't worth
> the risks.
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
>
> On 13-04-04-Thu 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the
> > dues thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7
> > access), has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about,
> > probably mostly because of time.
> >
> > Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person
> > have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but
> > even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety
> > issues at work here, and we should discuss them in relation to
> > cost/benefits for the space. It's also entirely possible that we
> > trust someone, and they just do something bad anyway. We don't really
> > spend a lot of time thinking about this, but this is something we
> > haven't had to really deal with yet, because we've had really shitty
> > access up until now.
> >
> > I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was
> > trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but
> > I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least
> > in 1 case this is true. I also am not sure it's really something we
> > should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay for members to do.
> >
> > If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it
> > really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting
> > membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to
> > reply here.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rusty
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:23:36 -0700
> From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com (mailto:yardenack at gmail.com)>
> To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
> And how?
> Message-ID:
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> (Rusty: sorry for the double e-mail)
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
> > access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
> > sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
> > here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the space.
> > It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
> > something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
> > this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
> > we've had really shitty access up until now.
> >
>
>
> Honestly I'm not comfortable linking access to payment, for a lot of
> reasons, but I'll try to outline the most salient thing for me right
> now:
>
> * I don't think access means anything if a person can't feel safe here
> * I don't feel safe when I'm at the space all alone
> * I feel even better when I'm sharing the space with multiple people
> who I know and trust
> * Our goal should be for the space to be full of known & trusted
> people -- if not always, then as much as possible
> * It would be silly to turn anybody away at that point
>
> So my goal day in and day out is to look for ways to expand Sudoroom's
> web of trust - not just get people to the space, not just facilitate
> and encourage them giving money to the space, but helping them feel
> happy and comfortable and like they could be a part of a community,
> and that coming here will give them a chance to hack awesome things,
> work on their projects, get inspired for new projects.
>
> I'm open to solutions in the form of rules and algorithms, but I'm
> skeptical of any solutions that seem to close doors (literally &
> figuratively) because Sudoroom and hackerspaces in general are so new
> and experimental.
>
> The scepter of an untrusted person being alone in the space is
> important, but I honestly don't see a good reliable antidote other
> than "add more trusted people." Safety in numbers.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:24:31 -0700
> From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com (mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com)>
> To: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
> And how?
> Message-ID:
> <CAEMAOD4aqGO837T_hyBqzTeEDLjHSYFMKpSyUmKCHiH4Ooos_Q at mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAEMAOD4aqGO837T_hyBqzTeEDLjHSYFMKpSyUmKCHiH4Ooos_Q at mail.gmail.com)>
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> Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west Oakland
> but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.
> I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people
> work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for
> that reason as it is for the safety reasons.
> I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member to
> recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like me
> could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then I
> would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule) to
> sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's actually
> already how communities work.
> On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)> wrote:
>
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues
> > thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),
> > has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably
> > mostly because of time.
> >
> > Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
> > access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
> > sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
> > here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
> > space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
> > something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
> > this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
> > we've had really shitty access up until now.
> >
> > I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying
> > to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for
> > some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is
> > true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if
> > we do decide on it being okay for members to do.
> >
> > If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really
> > is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and
> > establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rusty
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:25:50 -0700
> From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com (mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com)>
> To: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com (mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com)>
> Cc: "sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)"
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> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
> And how?
> Message-ID:
> <CAPgqYnK4v2K3evuSJNxscenFKo=kVH+e0Q30Woj_z3ZXaN_7Dw at mail.gmail.com (mailto:kVH+e0Q30Woj_z3ZXaN_7Dw at mail.gmail.com)>
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> welcome sonja!
>
>
> +a million to jordan's email.
>
> - marina
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com (mailto:sonja.trauss at gmail.com)>wrote:
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> > Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west
> > Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.
> > I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people
> > work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for
> > that reason as it is for the safety reasons.
> > I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member
> > to recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like
> > me could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then
> > I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule)
> > to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's
> > actually already how communities work.
> > On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren at gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren at gmail.com)> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Everyone,
> > >
> > > Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues
> > > thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),
> > > has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably
> > > mostly because of time.
> > >
> > > Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
> > > access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
> > > sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
> > > here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
> > > space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
> > > something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
> > > this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
> > > we've had really shitty access up until now.
> > >
> > > I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying
> > > to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for
> > > some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is
> > > true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if
> > > we do decide on it being okay for members to do.
> > >
> > > If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really
> > > is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and
> > > establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rusty
> > > **
> > >
> > >
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> From: Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com (mailto:romy at snowyla.com)>
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> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health
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> This is a great idea!
> In the 1990s I used to go to some punk rock feminist women's health talks.
> One session had us doing self-examinations using speculums with mirrors.
> I'd like to throw that into the "stone soup" of a mix!
>
> http://www.fwhc.org/health/selfcare.htm
>
> - I'm unsure how comfortable most women would be doing self-examinations in
> front of men.
> - Using speculums and mirrors was very informative! I never realized how
> most women are taught to think of their privates as dirty--so much so to
> the point that they didn't know how their lady parts worked!
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> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:18:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com (mailto:hol at gaskill.com)>
> To: pnaomi at gmail.com (mailto:pnaomi at gmail.com)
> Cc: yardenack at gmail.com (mailto:yardenack at gmail.com), sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and
> the absence therein)
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> Apr 4, 2013 01:15:20 AM, pnaomi at gmail.com (mailto:pnaomi at gmail.com) wrote:
> That was a completely awesome repast, everybody. ?I love the idea of meetings as potlucks just as much as it's amazing to have "catered" meals by Ray. ?:)
> > Would anybody like to try my pumpkin pie made with coconut milk and honey? ?I know it's not exactly the season for it, but I love pumpkin so much, I have been making it for myself lately.
>
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> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Leonid Kozhukh len at ligertail.com (mailto:len at ligertail.com)> wrote:
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> > so far, were going with soup, fried cauliflower, and kale salad. other suggestions and/or additions?
>
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, mattsenate at gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com) mattsenate at gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com)> wrote:
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> > Ive been making soups in the crockpot and can continue doing the same. I left miso and greens in the fridge, another stop at Koreana Plaza for rice noodles, oyster mushrooms, green onion, and tofu should do. Feel free to grab other things for a soup too. The trick is to heat up the crockpot with a bit of water or soup base, then use the water boiler above the sink for the boiling. Basically a simple hotspot, nothing needs more than a 10 minutes of hot water to cook.
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> > // Matt
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> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and the absence therein)
> > Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 3:41 PM
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> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Raymond Lai raymond.wm.lai at gmail.com (mailto:raymond.wm.lai at gmail.com)> wrote:
>
> > My fellow Sudoers, I am not feeling well and will not be able to make the
> > > meeting tonight. I wish I could say there are leftovers in the fridge. :(
> >
> >
> > Thanks so much for all your work Ray!
> >
> > If anybody else would like to collaborate on food tonight, I'd love to
>
> help! I can contribute time, car, buying ingredients, chopping skills,
> > and following directions, in exchange for your contribution of
> > leadership. :) :) :)
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