[sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?

[Anon195714]

24/7 card key access for trusted members is good.  But it should be
considered a privilege, not a right, and not something everyone gets,
and certainly not something people get instantly when they sign up. 

24/7 card key access immediately upon signing the membership list is
bad, bad, bad, it's an invitation to all manner of creeps, crooks, and
potential theft & violence, and I'll hard block it in a ten-second
minute on the basis of the "safe space" principal. 

"Open" is not synonymous with "easy."  

Sorry to be taking a hard line on this, but the last thing we need is
for someone to get robbed or raped by some creep who figured us for an
easy target.   The stakes are too high, and the benefits aren't worth
the risks.

-G.


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On 13-04-04-Thu 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>
> Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the
> dues thread.  But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7
> access), has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about,
> probably mostly because of time.
>
> Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person
> have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but
> even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety
> issues at work here, and we should discuss them in relation to
> cost/benefits for the space.  It's also entirely possible that we
> trust someone, and they just do something bad anyway.  We don't really
> spend a lot of time thinking about this, but this is something we
> haven't had to really deal with yet, because we've had really shitty
> access up until now. 
>
> I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was
> trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but
> I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least
> in 1 case this is true.  I also am not sure it's really something we
> should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay for members to do.  
>
> If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it
> really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting
> membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to
> reply here. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rusty
> **
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