[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Replacing the term "bottom-liner" with..?

[Tony Barreca]

Actually, if the opposing forces are reasonably well-trained, the point man
is usually not the first guy to get shot.

A well-trained opponent will typically let him (or her, perhaps, nowadays)
get safely past so they have a much higher probability of killing all who
follow.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Jan 11, 2015 1:49 PM, "Ryan" <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > A point person, on the other hand, is the person you have to go to in
> order to get involved at all. How do I get involved? *points at person*
>
> Actually,  I think "point man" presumably comes from military terminology:
> it's the soldier who is "on point" in a patrol,  and who gets to scout out
> the best route,  but who also gets shot at first if things go wrong.
> Perhaps not the best imagery we want to adopt...
>
> Patrik
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Stephen Novotny <
> novotny.stephen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> To add to discussion: I believe one of the reason some of us began to
> discuss changing "bottom-liner" is because it promotes arresting a single
> person with all of the responsibility, rather than collectivizing
> responsibility toward building community.
> >>
> >> Meh - I think "point person" conveys exactly the same meaning to me. I
> had never heard of the term "bottom-liner" before, so to my ear this just
> seems like a pointless exercise in semantics.
> >>
> >> In the end, the mechanism is still that we appoint an individual to
> carry somewhat more responsibility for an event, because otherwise things
> will inevitably fall through the cracks. You can call them a bottom-liner,
> a facilitator, a coordinator, a point person or whatever you want. Does it
> suggest an unequal division of labor? Sure it does, but that just reflects
> reality. We can strive for a more equal distribution, but in my opinion
> just changing the name is not going to change the fact that some people put
> in more effort than others, or that in some cases it is actually more
> efficient for one person to take charge of certain details.
> >>
> >> What's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other name would
> smell as sweet...
> >>
> >> Patrik
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 11, 2015 10:38 AM, "lee worden" <wonder at riseup.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "point person"?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 01/11/2015 10:27 AM, joseph liesner wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> overseer; host; ITGT (if  Then go To)
> >>>>> joe
> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:13 AM, niki wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I want to honor the request from some Omni community members that
> we replace the word bottom-liner.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can we collect a list of alternatives and mutually agree to attempt
> to replace this phrase / to lovingly and compassionately correct one
> another if and when we slip up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As little as it may seem, this will require a cultural shift for a
> lot of us that I'm sure we're all willing to make, but it'll likely take a
> bit of time before it collectively takes root.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It would be great if those who take particular issue with this
> phrase could put forth their suggestions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will collect suggestions and make a poll both online and in the
> real world.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here are some suggestions of mine:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> * steward
> >>>>>> * curator
> >>>>>> * representative
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Love,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> N
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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