[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Replacing the term "bottom-liner" with..?

[Ryan]

I actually think "point person" suggests a *more* unequal division of labor
than "bottom-liner."

A bottom-liner, in my mind, means that even *if* no one else shows up to
help (which can happen!), nothing's going to "leak." They've covered the
bottom line. But in and of itself, that doesn't imply that no one else
can't be involved.

A point person, on the other hand, is the person you have to go to in order
to get involved at all. How do I get involved? *points at person*

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Stephen Novotny <
> novotny.stephen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To add to discussion: I believe one of the reason some of us began to
>> discuss changing "bottom-liner" is because it promotes arresting a single
>> person with all of the responsibility, rather than collectivizing
>> responsibility toward building community.
>>
> Meh - I think "point person" conveys exactly the same meaning to me. I had
> never heard of the term "bottom-liner" before, so to my ear this just seems
> like a pointless exercise in semantics.
>
> In the end, the mechanism is still that we appoint an individual to carry
> somewhat more responsibility for an event, because otherwise things will
> inevitably fall through the cracks. You can call them a bottom-liner, a
> facilitator, a coordinator, a point person or whatever you want. Does it
> suggest an unequal division of labor? Sure it does, but that just reflects
> reality. We can strive for a more equal distribution, but in my opinion
> just changing the name is not going to change the fact that some people put
> in more effort than others, or that in some cases it is actually more
> efficient for one person to take charge of certain details.
>
> What's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other name would smell
> as sweet...
>
> Patrik
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 11, 2015 10:38 AM, "lee worden" <wonder at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  "point person"?
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2015 10:27 AM, joseph liesner wrote:
>>>
>>> overseer; host; ITGT (if  Then go To)
>>> joe
>>>  On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:13 AM, niki wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hey all,
>>>
>>>  I want to honor the request from some Omni community members that we
>>> replace the word bottom-liner.
>>>
>>>  Can we collect a list of alternatives and mutually agree to attempt to
>>> replace this phrase / to lovingly and compassionately correct one another
>>> if and when we slip up?
>>>
>>>  As little as it may seem, this will require a cultural shift for a lot
>>> of us that I'm sure we're all willing to make, but it'll likely take a bit
>>> of time before it collectively takes root.
>>>
>>>  It would be great if those who take particular issue with this phrase
>>> could put forth their suggestions.
>>>
>>>  I will collect suggestions and make a poll both online and in the real
>>> world.
>>>
>>>  Here are some suggestions of mine:
>>>
>>>  * steward
>>> * curator
>>> * representative
>>>
>>>  Love,
>>>
>>>  N
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