[sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

[Torrie Fischer]

+1

Toxicity on sudo-discuss isn't a reason I subscribe, and I'm fairly certain 
others are already tired of seeing vitriol hurled around so candidly. It ends 
up pushing more people away; the kind of people who /do/ make sudo room a 
delightful place to hack.

<3 hugs all around

On Sunday, February 08, 2015 11:44:57 AM Mary Ward wrote:
> The point is that this conversation has become destructive. I do not think
> pointing out people in the discuss list if helpful, only hurtful. The CDC
> list may be a better place for in depth conversations about bans.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Mary
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Ryan <yandoryn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > TBC I don't need a cis man telling me how I should proceed after I was
> > sexually assaulted.
> > 
> > TBC I don't need a cis man euphemizing a sexual predator's behavior.
> > 
> > TBC I don't need a cis man "researching" the situation to see if there
> > were more incidents.
> > 
> > TBC I don't need a cis man adding to the tone policing in this thread.
> > 
> > TBC you are mansplaining right now Steve, and that's the last fucking
> > thing I need right now.> 
> >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote: TBC, yar, your statement necessarily had implications for what Al
> >> said.  It could have been phrased to not do that even while still
> >> expressing support for Ryan.  Korl can think it was unconstructive
> >> without taking it personally.  I don't think the subsequent statement
> >> that Korl has something to learn here was helpful.
> >> 
> >> That said, let's not lose track of the fact that Perry has serious
> >> loss-of-boundary issues when he drinks (which seems to be frequently). 
> >> My own experience (two experiences actually) is that he doesn't single
> >> people out for that (I got it too), but it's absolutely the case that
> >> the same behavior that was non-threatening for me will be very
> >> threatening for others.  (Something I need to bear in mind going foward;
> >> probably I should have asked if there have been other such incidents.)
> >> 
> >> I'm a little murky on the process here.  I mean, this open discussion
> >> isn't going to be used for some sort of vote, right?
> >> 
> >> Assuming this from David K. is correct --
> >> 
> >> "Yes, any member (but not guest) is empowered to temporarily ban -
> >> pending conflict mediation - anyone else so following a safe space
> >> violation which is what this is."
> >> 
> >> -- then it seems that all Ryan has to do is say that Perry is banned,
> >> following which a conflict mediation process is initiated.  If Ryan
> >> didn't feel that his and (as related) Ribre's particular experience was
> >> sufficient and so was asking others, then what Jenny and I added (and
> >> David K., although he didn't provide details of the incidents) seems
> >> like more than enough.
> >> 
> >> Returning to Ryan's original comment --
> >> 
> >> "Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending mediation,
> >> as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he refused to
> >> take action to alter his behaviour."
> >> 
> >> -- it seems to me that maybe it not being phrased as a statement may have
> >> engendered confusion.  So maybe just do that, Ryan?  TBC, apparently you
> >> don't need to ask anyone, and as noted if what you wanted was
> >> corroboration you have plenty.
> >> 
> >> As for the policy discussion, if Al or anyone wants to pursue that I
> >> suggest they do it in a different thread.
> >> 
> >> Thanks to all.
> >> 
> >> -- Steve
> >> 
> >>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Ok.
> >>> > For the record...
> >>> > If this is how you all are going to conduct ourselves, and treat each
> >>> > other, I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.
> >>> > This is absurd.
> >>> > I thought we were trying to be better people here.
> >>> > But I suppose I was wrong.
> >>> > 
> >>> > Extremely sarcastically, I apologize for speaking up.
> >>> > 
> >>> > Have a good weekend everyone.
> >>> 
> >>> Hey Korl, with nothing but respect, I was just trying to express
> >>> solidarity with Ryan without making it about you. To me this is about
> >>> having a safe space where people aren't assaulted or misgendered.
> >>> There is nothing personal against you here. I hope you can learn to
> >>> see that.
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