[sudo-discuss] RAYC's membership

Sun Feb 1 13:55:54 PST 2015

I believe I met RAYC last Tuesday - 5'10"ish, short hair, rapid talker - he got all up in my face repeatedly as I was doing inventory of a/v equipment for the Omni wiki. I was clearly using a clipboard and camera with intention to record info, working with Kwe, but RAYC hit me with a litany of questions lik,e Hey are you new here, Hey are you looking for anyone, Hey can I help you find something... As if he was security at his own club house. I told him repeatedly what I was doing and why and said thanks but no thanks for his help and he persisted. 

No harm no foul, I guess, but that was super-duper aggravating. 

I'm unclear what RAYC's status is with Sudo and/or Omni, but wanted to add this for the record.

Happy Sunday!

D

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Torrie Fischer <tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
wrote:

> Feel free to try throwing more mediation at RAYC. You'll be sorely 
> disappointed.
> We tried for months to talk him down and convince him that there was no 
> conspiracy. Mitch tried to have a meeting with him to talk about it but RAYC 
> disrespected Mitch's time by canceling a few minutes before it started. I 
> personally wandered around in the mission until 2am with him while I tried to 
> talk with him and convince him that while we all love him and are appreciative 
> of his contributions, he needs to take a vacation. Instead I got screamed at 
> and told that I'm part of the problem.
> Noisebridge has collectively addressed the problem by excluding him from 
> participation in the community. We tried. He is physically incapable of 
> receiving mediation.
> On Thursday, January 08, 2015 12:16:06 PM Sam Tepper wrote:
>> There are many complaints that NB members (and a few sudo co-members)
>> have against Rayc.  Not all of them are valid, but we should not
>> oversimplify this out of respect for everyone's perceptions and
>> viewpoints.  Rayc certainly will need to make a written statement (as
>> was mentioned at the meeting), which should resolve some of this and
>> take it to a more factual realm.
>> 
>> From my understanding, there have been some attempts at NB for
>> conflict mediation, yet nobody has fully followed through with the
>> process.  The issues are involved enough that I believe that agreeing
>> upon a moderator or mediator, in this case, might be appropriate.
>> 
>> Rayc has certainly contributed positively to Sudo and NB, yet there
>> are certain specific actions and incidents which perhaps still need to
>> be addressed.
>> 
>> On 01/08/2015 11:55 AM, hol at gaskill.com wrote:
>> > That's what people felt - we needed more time to establish how he
>> > intends to use the space and interact w/ others. Also discussed was
>> > that really, we should probably take this time for ALL new members
>> > instead of just giving it a week.
>> > 
>> > Please anyone interested consider proposing amendments to our
>> > membership process:
>> > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.1.0_Process_fo
>> > r_becoming_a_member> 
>> >  Here are some notes from noisebridge meetings below, just did a
>> > 
>> > little digging today
>> > 
>> > Banned for 6 months - agrees to stay out for that time:
>> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_03_11
>> > 
>> > Comes up for perma-ban, which is blocked:
>> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_03_18
>> > 
>> > Discussion for 2 meetings RE unbanning:
>> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_04_22
>> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_04_29
>> > 
>> > Sounds like one of the main people pushing for his ban was also
>> > banned and/or removed from the 'council' but either way, the
>> > consensus was that we will proceed with an open mind and listen to
>> > all the facts.
>> > 
>> > Cheers
>> > 
>> > On 2015-01-08 11:34, Adam Munich wrote:
>> >> From what I've gathered from his discussions about it there was
>> >> apparently some sort of miscommunication between the people
>> >> running Noisebridge and electricians, which rayc tried to
>> >> resolve. The people who were supposed to be doing the job didn't
>> >> like that somehow.
>> >> 
>> >> Granted that's only his side of the story and I don't know the
>> >> other side, but overall rayc has been rather valuable in keeping
>> >> sudo clean and organized. I feel like it's worth giving him a
>> >> chance.
>> >> 
>> >> Cheers, -Adam On Jan 8, 2015 11:04 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>> >> It was already blocked by several people due to some concerns -
>> >> among them is that he didn't mention the situation RE Noisebridge
>> >> at all until prompted, which didn't convey a sense of openness
>> >> and honesty. I believe someone is reaching out to him to get more
>> >> info on the situation so probably best not to make it the subject
>> >> of a meeting until there's been a chance to hear everyone out
>> >> offline. I left at 10:30 so may have missed who that was - if it
>> >> wasn't delegated to anyone I'll contact him.
>> >> 
>> >> cheers
>> >> 
>> >> On 2015-01-08 10:02, Torrie Fischer wrote: Hei, sudo room.
>> >> 
>> >> I want to avoid as much conflict as possible here on discuss@ so
>> >> I'll state up front that I would really rather folks talk to me
>> >> in person or off list in response to this.
>> >> 
>> >> I had every intention of coming to Sudo last night as I
>> >> infrequently do to see whats up and hack on things and spend more
>> >> time in the space. My knee disagreed to I went home instead.
>> >> 
>> >> Had I made it I would've certainly blocked RAYC's membership.
>> >> 
>> >> I plan on showing up at Sudo Room next week to have a legitimate
>> >> block in person since phoning it in as I'm doing in this e-mail
>> >> is bullshit and we all know that. I would appreciate it a bunch
>> >> if others were around to hear me elaborate about my principled
>> >> objection and give feedback if it has any standing. I also don't
>> >> think its all that excellent of an idea to try and discuss this
>> >> on a wednesday night when folks want to just get together and be
>> >> positive, so I'll certainly be making more of an effort to be at
>> >> the space before then for discussion.
>> >> 
>> >> Again, I'm not going to respond to this on the list but feel free
>> >> to poke me off-list or AFK :)
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