[sudo-discuss] wheelchair lift on craigslist $250

Wed Sep 3 21:29:10 PDT 2014

Y'all are awesome, and I'm glad you are considering various options!  I
hope to come by at some point. Maybe the Omni will be a good home for
wheelchair/scooter hacking!

Cheers

- liz

On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:26 PM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:

>  sorry i got a little defensive there.  the costs have definitely been
> adding up and i don't mean to shout down people with fiscal concerns as
> that is a very legitimate thing to worry about and i want people to feel
> like they can always speak up if something doesn't seem right.  i looked at
> hacking a van ramp at first as well since they're so plentiful, but there
> were just too many unknowns including the electrical side for me to feel it
> was worth pursuing.
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> cheers
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> On 2014-09-03 14:58, Jake wrote:
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> Sorry hol, i didn't see the post about the width, i thought 30" would be enough.  After looking over craigslist i don't see anything that would work!  Oh well.
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> A couple of years ago a friend of mine took out a wheelchair lift from his work van, i think it was pretty big but it was long gone.
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> Thanks for doing the hard work to make this happen.
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> -jake
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> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
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>       jake,
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>       i originally questioned the rationale of spending the $2500 on an inspection alone if you recall.  the purpose of that was to get clear
>       guidance on what will be required and to have full confidence that we would be immune from ADA lawsuits in the future, in addition to not
>       having to waste our time and money constructing noncompliant features.  per the lease, all construction that we'll be reimbursed for 50% by
>       john has to be signed off by a licensed contractor.  so if we pay 1/2 of $8000 and have a lift that's legit and the contractor handles all the
>       permitting, etc, then that seems like a decent deal.  please feel free to shop around since I only got the one quote last week, the day after
>       the inspection.
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>       >without even having looked at the list of requirements we are supposed to meet
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> Bathrooms: http://www.bobrick.com/Documents/PlanningGuide.pdf
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> Lifts: http://continuingeducation.construction.com/article.php?L=194&C=673&P=3
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>  *  4.2.4.2Relationship of Maneuvering Clearance to Wheelchair Spaces. One full unobstructed side of the clear floor or ground space for a
>     wheelchair shall adjoin or overlap an accessible route or adjoin another wheelchair clear floor space. If a clear floor space is located in an
>     alcove or otherwise confined on all or part of three sides, additional maneuvering clearances shall be provided as shown in Fig. 4(d) and (e)
>     (see diagram). (Comment: Wheelchair lifts are typically considered to be alcoves. According to Fig. 4 (e), the minimum inside platform
>     dimensions for a wheelchair lift with its gates on opposite ends (so that the user has a straight approach to the lift) are 36 inches x 48
>     inches.)
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> all the work we're planning at this stage is work that i identified prior to that inspection simply by reading the codes.  i also proposed buying a
> used wheelchair lift on CL that would suit our application, and volunteered to install it myself this week if someone else could fetch it.  if you
> prefer to hack out all the details like used car batteries, ballscrews, bearings, power electronics, mechanical gate actuators, safety nut,
> controls, etc in a way that will function reliably for the next few years without maintenance, and you're willing to research and perform all that
> work on the relevant timeline, that would certainly help advance things along that front.  I have not researched any electrical characteristics
> other than total current demand from the mains so you'd have to take the lead on those details.  For my part, I have only had a limited amount of
> bandwidth to work on this and am doing the best I can to meet our commitment to accessibility.  If anyone feels I am taking the wrong approach and
> wants to do things differently I would be ecstatic to step back and focus on other things.
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> cheers,
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> hol
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> On 2014-09-03 12:41, Jake wrote:
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> i look forward to finding out the regulations on size, load, battery capacity, etc. because those are numbers we can work with.  If the van lift on craigs
> list (and there are many of them) fits those requirements, i don't see the problem.
>
> As for battery capacity, a single car battery can surely serve to evacuate a meeting of 30 electric-wheelchair using visitors in a power failure with no p
> roblem, especially since it would only need power to lift the empty platform up to receive the next chair.  Lowering doesn't take any power at all (except
>  for a tiny solenoid which releases pressure when you press the DOWN button), and if not, batteries are really easy to buy more of!
>
> It sounds like you're advocating against trying to do it ourselves without even having looked at the list of requirements we are supposed to meet. Even if
>  it weren't for the thousands of dollars difference, I still think we should at least consider "hacking something together ourselves"
>
> -jake
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> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
>             I definitely think we need to consult with the guy who came to do the ADA inspection before we decide on a creative solution
>             like converting a van lift. It's entirely likely that wheelchair lifts for vans follow different regulations with respect to
>             size, load, battery capacity, etc. Considering that this is one of the few expenses where our landlord will be pitching in
>             50%, I'd still say we should go with the professional $8K option and get it done right, rather than hacking something
>             together ourselves. Patrik On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>             http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/for/4648013065.html yes it's for a van.  but if the dimensions are acceptible then it's a
>             solution. i talked with a lift shop today and I was told that getting a lift certified by the state is a nighmare lasting
>             months and costing millions of dollars, involving load-testing and battery backup etc. the "cheap" way of installing a
>             "residential" lift like the ones mentioned before would "only" cost about $2500 if we get the one I linked above, we power
>             it with batteries anyway (it's made for a van) and that way, in a power failure it will still work. That's one of the
>             requirements we need to have anyway. So I vote we go that direction.  Of course there is the accessibility professional we
>             contacted before, and we can ask them about this plan, but assuming the hardware meets our needs for dimensions and
>             load-bearing I think it's a good solution.  I am willing to help with the adaptation and wiring, etc. -jake
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