[sudo-discuss] Backspace Space proposal

Thu Oct 16 08:18:51 PDT 2014

Scott,

I agree that that is a good idea.

However, I feel like your suggestion is exactly what I was trying to move
forward with the BAPS backspace proposal that BAPS recently voted against
moving forward with!

I personally believe it can still work, but would like to acknowledge that
I already proposed this to BAPS 2 weeks ago and it was not supported.

I also attended the Commons wg on Saturday in part to build a working
relationship with the Commons wg and Backspace. I ran our current proposal
by the group and met with support.

Jenny, I can say more tonight at the meeting re: your questions, which are
good ones (gotta go to work right now!).

Backspace is currently:

Margaretha
Myself
Andrew
Naomi
Don

We have interest from other folks but no commitments until space is
resolved.

Sara

On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Scott Nanos <scott.nanos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Crazy idea but I'm also a little worried that BAPS and commons
> Wg don't have the labor power to handle all this commoning (pragmatically
> speaking, in the form of scheduling and organizing)...
>
> What if Baps, backspace, and commons wg all teamed up on these common
> spaces, granting *x* amount of privileged hours in specific areas for
> collectives?
>
> Ex: Baps could take privileged hours in basement reading room/library
> directly related to classes on the schedule, backspace could take privilege
> hours in upstairs den or disco room for booked classes?
>
>  it seems much more likely to be successful if we unite? Baps and commons
> wg have already been discussing a mesh situation...
>
> Ps jenny that last email warmed my <3
>
> Xo
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tunabananas at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I am excited by the revival of Backspace but would love a bit more
> context. Who's currently involved these days? What kind of services would
> the public clinics offer? Apologies if this is a barrage of questions -
> just trying to get a more complete narrative in my mind :)
>
> This sentence really confused me - can you explain what it means?
> :
>
>> We have concerns about how much time backspace will have to do its work
>> in the commons; and recognize that with commons there can be no guarantees
>> about the amount of time, which can dramatically stymie our work.
>>
>
> Would Backspace members be interested in helping the Commons WG with
> scheduling as part of their contribution to the functioning of the Omni as
> a whole? I am confused about the interchange of 'commons' in this sentence
> and then how it's used in the next:
>
>
>> There are other collectives at the omni who have a lot of dedicated,
>> non-shared space to do their necessary work. Part of our proposal is to
>> offer the den in part as a commons, which is a new way of using space in
>> the Omni, and an important moment to model how this can be done. I really
>> hope that this radical sharing is not being overlooked
>>
>>
> It's a good thing we're dedicating a 20 whole minutes of tomorrow's
> meeting to a better understanding of this word ;P Perhaps it would be
> productive and timely to organize an Omni-wide unconference on the subject!
>
> Other than TIL, I can't think of a single member-group in the Omni that
> has "a lot of dedicated, non-shared space to do their necessary work." What
> collective(s) are you referring to?
>
> Like, this past weekend sudo was hosting a BACH unconference all over the
> building, and whoever was around Friday night from a bunch of collectives
> or whatever, unaffiliated, helped manage a plumbing emergency with a backed
> up drain in the basement kitchen (joe had accidentally dropped a rag down
> the drain! and he totally admitted it and is going to pay for the emergency
> plumber we called in! mad love!) - fast-forward to Sunday morning cooking
> pots of food for lunch while La Commune folks were cooking brunch
> side-by-side, Scott was making music in the cafe and FNB-Chris was making
> mad delicious salsas for BACH folks and the rest of the FNB crew was
> working on the kitchen in the basement, sudo shared some eggs w/ la commune
> and they had exactly the same number we lent them left over by the end of
> the brunch! and we had tacos for all the brunchlings who were too busy
> making food to eat it! radical sharing fuck yeah!!!
>
> Ahem! So, if I grok you correctly, I think this is similar to the
> reasoning behind BAPS' proposal for dedicated space that it would steward
> for common, shared use - that's great! My only concern is that there may
> not be enough Backspace members to take on such a responsibility, while the
> Commons WG also needs support. I'd like to echo Niki's request for clarity
> on how you intend to 'commons' the space, and ask how we as a community can
> help your needs be met.
>
> [geek segue how do we go from a CSMA --> TDMA mode of sharing space? :) ]
>
> Much love,
> Jenny
>
>
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> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:24 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yardenack at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> At tonight's Sudoroom meeting, there were no major objections to BDRM2
>> ("the eyeball room") becoming dedicated and lockable for Backspace, or
>> to the DEN and STORAGE1 being schedulable commons where Backspace gets
>> priority. The biggest concern is that the Public School would still
>> have room for its evening classes, but we don't have enough info to
>> speak for them obviously.
>>
>> Just curious - even though we all seem to be converging on a pattern
>> of scheduled multi-use space, there's still this distinction between
>> these rooms being "administered by Backspace" and "administered by the
>> commons working group." I know Backspace prefers the former, but can
>> you say a little about why, and what is the meaningful difference for
>> you? Is it the worry about being scheduled out? Is it the desire for
>> veto power over the layout and aesthetic of the spaces? Thanks.
>>
>> Lastly, Matt pointed out some issues with how the money is being framed:
>>
>> > We would pay $1000 per month starting in October.
>>
>> Is this a typo? It seems to contradict the next section.
>>
>> > Backspace founder Andrew Lowe put forward $6000 to the Omni for
>> Backspace in May 2014. This money was paid ahead as a commitment by
>> Backspace to the Omni and vice versa. We would like to allocate that money
>> in the following way:
>> >
>> > $3000 for July Rent (first month, last month, deposit)
>> > $1000 for Septemer
>> > $1000 for October
>> > $1000 for November
>>
>> Except what actually happened, was Backspace paid $2k for first month,
>> $2k for last month, and $2k for deposit, and then realized later that
>> they couldn't continue paying that much per month. It's not just a
>> semantic problem - that $2k deposit went to the landlord, and not to
>> the Omni. This pretends that Omni saw $1k that we didn't actually see.
>> Also, IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer) but it's a scary legal grey area for a
>> landlord to redefine deposit money as rent money. It might be better
>> to be honest about what happened instead of retconning it, and just
>> say that Omni is now giving Backspace a second chance to exist at Omni
>> with a grace period and a new "lease on life." Just a thought.
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