[sudo-discuss] Backspace Space proposal

Wed Oct 15 22:05:14 PDT 2014

In all fairness, backspace needs a larger space to do its work. We plan to
have a number of practitioners as well as public clinic days and it is not
realistic to have them in small massage rooms only. We have concerns about
how much time backspace will have to do its work in the commons; and
recognize that with commons there can be no guarantees about the amount of
time, which can dramatically stymie our work.

There are other collectives at the omni who have a lot of dedicated,
non-shared space to do their necessary work. Part of our proposal is to
offer the den in part as a commons, which is a new way of using space in
the Omni, and an important moment to model how this can be done. I really
hope that this radical sharing is not being overlooked.

Backspace is a founding member and has been paying $1000 rent for space it
doesn't have, and therefore to date it has not been able to function
(including attracting new members who frankly will be primarily looking for
good space in a supportive community).

I just wanted to let people know that backspace truly needs support for
space. I'm trying my best to make our needs very clear because otherwise
the project of a wellness community at the Omni ( in my personal opinion)
seems quite imperiled.

Sara

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a list of names per room already on the wiki :)
> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Floorplan#Draft_Name_Proposal
>
> ~ Korl
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Mia Bruch <virtuallymia at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','virtuallymia at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> BAPS had our weekly meeting tonight, and we discussed the Backspace
>> proposal.  BAPS members share Emji's concern about privileging a particular
>> collective's use of the den, and would like it to remain a common space
>> stewarded by the commons wg.
>>
>> Mia
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 5:21 PM, {emji spero} wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm excited to see this project coming together! I have a concern about
>> the proposed use of the "Den." This space is perfect for working quietly,
>> Public School classes, meetings, poetry readings, and other kinds of
>> mid-size group events. I would like to see the upstairs commons space, The
>> Den, remain a commons.
>>
>> I know that Omni dance had been taking steps to make the Disco room a
>> space that is reservable by the hour, and I think that space is much better
>> suited toward wellness practice, yoga, meditation, etc, and would suggest
>> that Backspace and Omnidance be in communication about organizing the use
>> of that space for these purposes.
>>
>> Emji
>> Timeless, Infinite Light
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM, niki <niki.shelley at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','niki.shelley at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great! I am excited at the prospect of more groups being open to sharing
>>> spaces with one another.
>>>
>>> I do think it would be helpful, however, to have a baseline such as,
>>> Backspace will allow for other groups to use the space no less than X% of
>>> the time even if that's only 2 hours once a week.. but maybe that's too
>>> bureaucratic... What happens if there's a group that has a regular meeting
>>> that happens in that space once Backspace is up and running for awhile?
>>> Will that group be asked to leave if Backspace decides they'd like to start
>>> having a class or workshop on those evenings?
>>>
>>> The only reason I'm asking these questions is because I'm in that
>>> building almost every day and I see that "sharing space" is going to only
>>> get more and more complicated. Last night there was something happening in
>>> *every* room and that was a Tuesday night! I was trying to find rooms for
>>> groups to meet in that had no idea the room they usually used was occupied
>>> for another event. I am hoping that we can collectively work to not only
>>> create a really great system for scheduling and sharing of space, but to
>>> grow a really great culture of sharing! For this reason, I think being
>>> explicit might be really helpful (please tell me if you think I'm being
>>> unreasonable). This way, people's expectations are clearly stated and other
>>> people know what is and is not available and when.
>>>
>>> As far as the former TIL space is concerned, I do think that something
>>> more specific needs to be worked out if that room is going to do double
>>> duty as a children's space and a lockable room for body work. I have no
>>> doubt we can come up with something!
>>>
>>> <3
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Andrew Lowe <andrew at lostways.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','andrew at lostways.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We are talking about DEN & BDRM, BDRM [2], and STORAGE [1].
>>>>
>>>> To answer some of Niki's comments:
>>>>
>>>> - Can Backspace give an idea as to how much time / what days or
>>>> evenings the "den" would be available for use by other groups? (One day a
>>>> week / 10% of the time / etc.)
>>>>
>>>> We wont know 100% until we've been up and running for awhile. We have
>>>> someone right now who is going to use that space two nights a week and
>>>> certainly there will be more. While we are getting more members set up and
>>>> doing some renovations the space will mostly likely be open most of the
>>>> time for omni bookings, but as we grow we will be using more time in there.
>>>>
>>>> - The former TIL office downstairs is actually two smaller rooms which
>>>> are currently being proposed as a children's space.
>>>>
>>>> We are aware of the proposed use as a children's space, we think that
>>>> we can work out a schedule that will allow for that vision to happen as
>>>> well was giving us a much needed second dedicated space with a door for
>>>> practitioners that is (or will be) ADA accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrikd at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By the way, I have been urging people to refer to the names on this
>>>>> floorplan, to avoid confusion:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Floorplan#Annotated_Floorplan
>>>>>
>>>>> They're kinda clinical and not really intended for conversational use,
>>>>> but at least they're unique. When in doubt, include a link to the floorplan
>>>>> on the wiki! For example, the spaces above the corner entrance are marked
>>>>> "DEN & BDRM", "BDRM [1]" and "BDRM [2]", and the spaces between the
>>>>> ballroom and the cafe are labeled "STORAGE [1]" (the one with the windows,
>>>>> that Backspace wants to use) and "STORAGE [2]" (no windows - possible the
>>>>> "bunker"?)
>>>>>
>>>>> A while back, there was talk about some WG coming up with better names
>>>>> for all the spaces, but I'm not sure anything materialized out of that. If
>>>>> there is a better set of names (like "bunker room" and "eyeball room"),
>>>>> please put them up on the wiki somewhere, so we can avoid this kind of
>>>>> confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:52 PM, yar <yardenack at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yardenack at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tunabananas at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Is Backspace interested in sole use of that room, or open to the
>>>>>> current
>>>>>> > proposal of it being a dedicated Kids Room as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're thinking of a different room - we've been calling the former
>>>>>> TIL office the "Kids Room." Backspace is talking about the other room
>>>>>> across from that one, under the staircase, which has BAPS books in it
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I understand, they're proposing to have domain over the room
>>>>>> with the understanding that it would be unlocked and usable by other
>>>>>> groups whenever Backspace isn't using it. They want to do renovations
>>>>>> to make it clean and safe enough for bodywork sessions, and the
>>>>>> bodyworkers want to be able to have final say over the layout and
>>>>>> aesthetics of the room.
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>>>>
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