[sudo-discuss] Fwd: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room

Mon Nov 24 16:47:30 PST 2014

Oops, sorry, I keep forgetting to cc everyone in the thread.
Sending this in case not everyone is getting all of the replies.

~ Korl

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Okie doke.
So.
I spoke the alleged permissor, and according to them, the squatter indeed
lied about having been given the go ahead, and dropped their name by way of
a mutual friend or somesuch situation.
I'm also very glad to say, that my worries were hasty and misinformed.
The squatter in question is the bald and scruffled, 40-to-50-year-old black
man, who often hangs out on the exterior steps of the ballroom entryway.
It's unclear exactly how he got in, but what is clear is that we need to
step up our game by discussing all the ideas offered above.

Now I really am going to sleep.

I hope to dream that all of you are my familial elms, that our trunks are
made of space elevators, and that our roots are made of billions of
microscopic hedgehogs. And the hedgehogs are rowing canoes, of course.

~ Korl
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From: "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com>
Date: Nov 24, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room
To: "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com>
Cc: "discuss" <discuss at lists.omnicommons.org>, "Jenny Ryan" <
tunabananas at gmail.com>

If the situation is what I think, I feel we ought to give as much support
as we can to our friend.
However, I do think we ought to be strict on our tolerance level for abuse
of any kind; space, place, object, and of course person.
Perhaps a breakout session is due for anyone who isn't already aware of how
to deal with agressive or threatening people. Especially for lone
situations.
Perhaps we ought to even start spending ten mins of the delegates meeting,
revisiting the table of contents of our spankin new Conflict Resolution
guidelines, every few or four weeks?

And it's semi-off-topic, but this quote really snapped me out of some lame
situations,
"Theres never a good reason to light yourself on fire in order to keep
someone else warm".
Just food for thought.
Omni can be a place where everyone is welcome to exist, dance, hack, cook,
heal, build, etc. But if we don't feel comfortable and safe with each
other, that can't last long.

I dunno. I'm exhausted and gufflebrained, and I've lost my train of thought.

Good night everyone,
Have a good day :)

~ Korl

500px.com/eskesilver
510.689.4484
On Nov 24, 2014 3:09 PM, "niki" <niki.shelley at gmail.com> wrote:

> I appreciate your consideration and compassion.
>
> I also want our community to be aware of potentially aggressive
> individuals - especially if they run into them alone, in the wee hours.
>
> It's a delicate balance, for sure, between respecting an individual's
> privacy and ensuring the safety of the community.
>
> Thanks for being so awesome, Korl <3
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't feel comfortable at this time describing the squatter, nor
>> mentioning the alleged permissors name, until I've had a chance to gather
>> info on said alleged permission.
>> I feel that the situation is potentially an insight to a serious personal
>> matter of one our members, and I want to make sure it's potential gravity
>> is given due appreciation.
>> As soon as I have the facts, I'll be sure to update the thread.
>> But to be sure, no it was not Quickness.
>> Thanks for your patience.
>>
>> ~ Korl
>>
>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>> 510.689.4484
>> On Nov 24, 2014 2:52 PM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I often stay up ll night and occasionally use the solo
>>> hours to get work done at sudo. I came in to do my and the omnis dishes, as
>>> well as snag some wifi to download a hardware testing software. I was
>>> certainly not expecting to find mr. rando there.
>>>
>>> I think you've got it spot on. The more collaboration we have between
>>> last-outs and first-ins, respectively, the more effective we can be. I feel
>>> like there's too much disconnect in areas like this, and so the process is
>>> taken for granted. But if we look at whats already been discussed,
>>> analyzed, and implimented, it's already all there.
>>>
>>> Ben has been so kind as to offer to add this to the delegates agenda,
>>> and if I can make it to the meeting I'll certainly be there.
>>> I honestly think the key is as simple as us Omnerds acting just a bit
>>> more in sync with eachother. How we find the best pactice of preventing
>>> issues like this one, is just a matter of getting everyone on the same
>>> page, really.
>>> Hive mentality! Buddy system! Robot super brain! Gaia info waves!
>>> Et cetera and so forth.
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> ~ Korl
>>>
>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>> 510.689.4484
>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:39 AM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be clear, I locked up with Marc, Matt, and Noemie last night and we
>>>> went throughout the building asking non-members to leave and shutting off
>>>> lights. I'm often among the last to leave with other sudoers and we always
>>>> buddy up. Korl came back in the wee hours cuz she's a weirdo ;)
>>>>
>>>> Matt wrote this thing, we should update and improve it!
>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Closing
>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:28 AM, "Stephen Novotny" <novotny.stephen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, thanks so much, Korl.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you think we could prevent this problem in the future? It's
>>>>> going to happen more and more frequently, I'm afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Partly, we'll have to be more adamant about keeping our doors locked
>>>>> "after-hours" and being certain that folks who are coming in are coming for
>>>>> a specific purpose and not to just linger around and sleep. Also, we should
>>>>> probably develop a more systematic closing-up procedure that must include
>>>>> some sort of buddy-system for closing up. It seems foolish to leave one
>>>>> person alone to confront someone and ask them to leave the space.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Darn, and we were so proud of getting everyone to leave and locking
>>>>>> up Omni last night! Didn't think to check that little room, but will add it
>>>>>> to the rounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good reminder for folks who leave Omni late to check in with other
>>>>>> members before you go - it's best to coordinate leaving and lock down with
>>>>>> a small pack of trusted friends. Thanks for taking care of this solo, Korl.
>>>>>> It's no fun :/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>> J
>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:38 AM, "Eske Silver" <eske.silver at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, I'm fine.
>>>>>>> I told him what the house rule on sleeping was, that it was
>>>>>>> unfortunate that this person gave him false information, that I hoped he
>>>>>>> found somewhere else to go, but not to come back to Omni looking or a place
>>>>>>> to crash.
>>>>>>> He was a little agro, made some fuss about a few things, and gave me
>>>>>>> a bunch of gruffy attitude, but he left on his bike.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was no big thing, but I'd like to resolve the cause of the
>>>>>>> situation, and also bring my concern to the table on locked doors.
>>>>>>> The squatter had locked himself in the eyeball room, and in any
>>>>>>> case, anyone who locks up the building, half asleep or otherwise, might not
>>>>>>> even bother to knock.
>>>>>>> Or if a squatter simply stayed silent, the person locking up might
>>>>>>> very well just pass it over and chalk it up to the room being locked by
>>>>>>> it's steward.
>>>>>>> Basically, if we want to keep this from happening again, the current
>>>>>>> process isn't working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:11 AM, "Ben Burke" <benjaminburke at me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kicking out squatters at 4:30 am sounds potentially dangerous. Did
>>>>>>>> it go ok? Did you have / do you need backup?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is an older man whi has set camp in the eyeball room
>>>>>>>> upstairs. He was quite upset when I told him he was not allowed to sleep
>>>>>>>> here - that no one is, and that isnt what the omni is for.
>>>>>>>> He claims hes been given permission to sleep here. I've asked him
>>>>>>>> to leave and am now watching over while he gathers his things to leave.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver
>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>>>>>
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