[sudo-discuss] Privacy/Fourth Amendment activists - meeting at Sudo Room on Saturday
GtwoG PublicOhOne
g2g-public01 at att.net
Sat Sep 28 23:04:21 PDT 2013
The obvious solution is: Use a FB link to reach people who are on FB,
and a non-FB link to a non-FB site for people who won't go anywhere near
FB.
There's no problem with each of those being a separate link to a
separate destination, because when a meeting occurs F2F, whoever shows
up, shows up. It doesn't matter whether they got there from FB, non-FB,
or a flyer taped to a telephone pole.
As for "everyone is being tracked," not those of us who have installed a
bunch of anti-tracking software and turned up all our privacy settings
to 11.
The "everyone is being tracked (implied: so therefore give up)" meme is
like the "don't bother with safe sex" meme during the early days of the
HIV/AIDS pandemic, when people were getting infected and dying in large
numbers. Fatalism is defeatism. Prevention is easy and free.
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On 13-09-28-Sat 10:45 PM, johanna faust wrote:
> acetownes: please do. here's the link:
>
>
> DIS-INTER-Face-Book-MEDI-A-TION
> <http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html>
>
>
> Andrew: i get that, i do. keep wishing forf some sort of interface,
> though, so that the people who are not on it are easily included.
> fully functional for both, comments and all, but integrateable with
> fb so that the fb people don't balk.
>
>
> which they do, it seems, when they have to leave fb. why is that?
> can't they just open a new tab? i wonder if the rest of the
> ineternet is more welcoming now that everyone knows everyone is being
> tracked, rather than just knowing fb does it,,,,
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com
> <mailto:andrew at roshambomedia.com>> wrote:
>
> Problem is, people use facebook. People who you might want to
> reach out to. If you don't use facebook to get your message across
> you can really only hope to preach to the choir. Tools are meant
> to be used, It's true that now a days the tools find ways of using
> us, but we need to find ways of understanding and mitigating
> /that/ instead of just not using them at all.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:06 PM, johanna faust
> <female.faust at gmail.com <mailto:female.faust at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> well said andrew, but, i think i'm with GtwoG PublicOhOne on
> this one.
>
>
> Dis-inter-facebook-mediation
>
>
> i understand that many find FB useful as a tool, and agree
> that organization in the face of the Panopticon, like living
> well, is a most excellent way to tell it to get fucked. where
> i begin to object is to that organization happening primarily
> in that virtual environment, instead of a point being made to
> make the organizational center one that makes no assumptions
> of membership prerequisite to use, to full functionality.
>
>
> my objection to FB isn't (just) because of the ubiquitous and
> now (at last!) publicly acknowledged surveillance state. not
> even primarily.
>
>
> it /is/, for me, an intuitive understanding of the unexamined
> and unrestrained use of such traitorous corporate bullshit. of
> the self loathing that is the easy consequence. of the
> alienation, the feelings of worthlessness and despair, the
> subliminal reinforcement of which is structurally built in,
> taken for granted, assumed, by anyone wanting to make use of
> this so called "tool."
>
>
> what does it say to fully embrace a tool that so denigrates,
> disregards, and openly mocks those qualities of human
> communication, of the human spirit, that it cannot effectively
> monetize, influence, and/or control?
>
>
> FB interposes its sickness with the unwavering and obvious
> purpose of an opt-in, always-on, depthless and fickle
> intermediation as useless as a form of true creative
> expression as it is a source of real nourishment.
>
>
> the medium is the message.
>
>
> i believe the ceo of fb called the very end users upon whose
> aggregate data he built his empire "dumb fucks."
>
>
> i realize i am ranting. i feel, however, that rants such as
> this are needed. every individual and unique soul's version
> of such a rant, displayed prominently wherever and whenever
> faces are booked, would be the beginning of a much needed
> healing.
>
>
> a counterweight. so we can open the windows. so we can
> communicate freely. so we can begin to refuse to be sold
> without our fully informed, self respecting consent.
>
>
>
>
> /*ahem* /
>
> /thanks everyone who read that for your attention and
> consideration......... midwives, all of you, that just helped
> bring another blog //post/
> <http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html>/into
> the world./
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew
> <andrew at roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew at roshambomedia.com>>
> wrote:
>
> communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to
> communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and
> conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca
> <tony.barreca at gmail.com <mailto:tony.barreca at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net
> <mailto:eddan at clear.net>> wrote:
>
> Paradoxical, at best.
>
> See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio
>
> Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case
> containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set
> in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera
> live streaming.
>
> Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication
> tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an
> illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more
> straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com/>
>
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang
> <louis.huang at aegia.nu <mailto:louis.huang at aegia.nu>> wrote:
>
> While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just
> another tool for communication after all.
>
> Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public
> school on Oct. 2nd, i do believe.
>
> - Louie
>
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes at gmail.com
> <mailto:acetownes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Haha! Ironically, it's our number one
> recruitment/communication tool. But
> http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/
> if you prefer.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
> <g2g-public01 at att.net <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
>
> A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is
> on FACEBOOK....?
>
> My irony meter just pegged. That was a joke, right?
>
>
> =====
>
>
> On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:
>
> Hello Sudo Room subscribers,
>
> I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this
> Saturday for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're
> planning a lot of new things as well as recruiting for current
> things during the meeting, and you should come if you are
> interested. https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alice
>
>
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> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew
> <andrew at roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew at roshambomedia.com>>
> wrote:
>
> communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to
> communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide,
> and conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca
> <tony.barreca at gmail.com <mailto:tony.barreca at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred,
> strategy.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz
> <eddan at clear.net <mailto:eddan at clear.net>> wrote:
>
> Paradoxical, at best.
> See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed"
> at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio
>
> Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and
> in this case containing an announcement for an
> open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the
> public with known surveillance camera live streaming.
>
> Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all
> communication tools we now use straddle this
> paradox. Those tools without an illusion of
> privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more
> straightforward regarding expectations of privacy,
> IMHO.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
>
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang
> <louis.huang at aegia.nu
> <mailto:louis.huang at aegia.nu>> wrote:
>
>> While I do find the irony, lets cut them some
>> slack. It's just another tool for communication
>> after all.
>>
>> Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the
>> public school on Oct. 2nd, i do believe.
>>
>> - Louie
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes
>> <acetownes at gmail.com
>> <mailto:acetownes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Haha! Ironically, it's our number one
>>> recruitment/communication tool. But
>>> http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/
>>> if you prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG
>>> PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net
>>> <mailto:g2g-public01 at att.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*,
>>> where the link is on FACEBOOK....?
>>>
>>> My irony meter just pegged. That was a
>>> joke, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:
>>>> Hello Sudo Room subscribers,
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing to you to make sure you know
>>>> about a meeting this Saturday for
>>>> privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're
>>>> planning a lot of new things as well as
>>>> recruiting for current things during the
>>>> meeting, and you should come if you are
>>>> interested.
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Alice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>> sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss at lists.sudoroom.org>
>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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