[sudo-discuss] Privacy/Fourth Amendment activists - meeting at Sudo Room on Saturday

Fri Sep 27 13:06:06 PDT 2013

well said andrew, but, i think i'm with GtwoG PublicOhOne on this one.

Dis-inter-facebook-mediation

i understand that many find FB useful as a tool, and agree that
organization in the face of the Panopticon, like living well, is a most
excellent way to tell it to get fucked.  where i begin to object is to that
organization happening primarily in that virtual environment, instead of a
point being made to make the organizational center one that makes no
assumptions of membership prerequisite to use, to full functionality.

my objection to FB isn't (just) because of the ubiquitous and now (at
last!) publicly acknowledged surveillance state.  not even primarily.

it *is*, for me, an intuitive understanding of the unexamined and
unrestrained use of such traitorous corporate bullshit. of the self
loathing that is the easy consequence.  of the alienation, the feelings of
worthlessness and despair, the subliminal reinforcement of which is
structurally built in, taken for granted, assumed, by anyone wanting to
make use of this so called "tool."

what does it say to fully embrace a tool that so denigrates, disregards,
and openly mocks those qualities of human communication, of the human
spirit, that it cannot effectively monetize, influence, and/or control?

FB interposes its sickness with the unwavering and obvious purpose of an
opt-in, always-on, depthless and fickle intermediation as useless as a form
of true creative expression as it is a source of real nourishment.

the medium is the message.

i believe the ceo of fb called the very end users upon whose aggregate data
he built his empire "dumb fucks."

i realize i am ranting.  i feel, however, that rants such as this are
needed.  every individual and unique soul's version of such a rant,
displayed prominently wherever and whenever faces are booked, would be the
beginning of a much needed healing.

a counterweight. so we can open the windows.  so we can communicate
freely.  so we can begin to refuse to be sold without our fully informed,
self respecting consent.

**ahem* *

*thanks everyone who read that for your attention and
consideration......... midwives, all of you, that just helped bring another
blog **post*<http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html>
* into the world.*

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:

communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the
open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and
use your tools wisely.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>
wrote:

Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:

Paradoxical, at best.

See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio

Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an
announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the
public with known surveillance camera live streaming.

Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now
use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such
as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations
of privacy, IMHO.

sent from eddan.com

On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang at aegia.nu> wrote:

While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another tool
for communication after all.

Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct.
2nd,  i do believe.

- Louie

On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes at gmail.com> wrote:

Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But
http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you
prefer.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net>
wrote:

A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on
FACEBOOK....?

My irony meter just pegged.  That was a joke, right?

=====

On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:

Hello Sudo Room subscribers,

I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this Saturday for
privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of new things as
well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and you should
come if you are interested. https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/

Thanks!

Alice

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On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:

> communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the
> open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and
> use your tools wisely.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at clear.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Paradoxical, at best.
>>> See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio
>>>
>>> Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing
>>> an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the
>>> public with known surveillance camera live streaming.
>>>
>>> Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we
>>> now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy,
>>> such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding
>>> expectations of privacy, IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang at aegia.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another
>>> tool for communication after all.
>>>
>>> Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct.
>>> 2nd,  i do believe.
>>>
>>> - Louie
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool.
>>> But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/if you prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on
>>>> FACEBOOK....?
>>>>
>>>> My irony meter just pegged.  That was a joke, right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Sudo Room subscribers,
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this Saturday
>>>> for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of new things
>>>> as well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and you should
>>>> come if you are interested.
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Alice
>>>>
>>>>
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