[sudo-discuss] noisebridge throwing out Scanning Electron Microscope etc
John McMaster
johndmcmaster at gmail.com
Tue Sep 17 20:16:54 PDT 2013
Guess its just as well. I moved to Mountain View and noisebridge is too
far away for me practically to make it up there. If the SEM needs a new
home I am more than happy to take it. In the meantime I am actively
looking over eBay for one of my own and would still like to collaborate
if I can get such a unit (there in fact was an ISI SEM on eBay last week
for $100 but it was older and not in very good shape)
John
On 09/17/2013 03:16 PM, miloh wrote:
> LOL no. No need to get sensational. (you're just placing yourself in
> good company with instigators like WR Hearst). Just because they
> don't know how or won't learn how to use the SEM, Noisebridge is not a
> hackerspace?
>
> Anyways, since there are only 2 or 3 self founded hackerspaces on
> Earth that I've heard of even having access to a SEM of their own,
> I'll just take a step back to say it will take longer for the use of
> these kind of tools to take hold and find use in the hackerspace
> movement. There are probably a ton of miniSEMS out there waiting in
> garages until cadres can take on the responsibility of their care and
> use. Until then, I won't stand by if I can prevent these tools from
> getting damaged.
>
> I already identified the majority of the SEM parts and help is
> appreciated, but please don't make a big thing of it. The mini-SEM is
> intact in the front of Noisebridge by the welcome desk (!), and there
> are boxes of equipment in the East end of the space on the floor by
> the stairs leading up to the overseer's closet.
>
> Dr X is ahead of his time, who knew?
>
> Back to your regularly scheduled activities.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org
> <mailto:jake at spaz.org>> wrote:
>
> perhaps you heard
>
> noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the
> science room (where the SEM was) to make room for a radio studio
> or dj booth or something. ball pit.
>
> miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to
> help make sure no pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are
> tiny boxes with filaments in them and an ultrasonic cleaner,
> probably scattered around the trash pile thats forming at nb now.
> they are doing a dump run thursday. the SEM got moved out of its
> safe place without a single email about it to anyone that i know of.
>
> so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
>
> Let's get another SEM!
>
> One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the
> community of SEM experts is too small. So let's enlarge that
> community
> by getting another.
>
> If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a
> significant resource and its repair and operation are likely
> to fall on
> the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the
> same problems that NB has encountered and will need to go to
> extreme
> effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we
> haven't completed).
>
> I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't
> as rare as you might think.
>
> In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the
> sudo room list yet (I'm not a list member), I didn't
> understand that
> there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically
> does not belong to NB anyway, it's on loan). I thought that
> someone
> named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I
> generally disapprove of dismantling Noisebridge resources.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt
> <ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com
> <mailto:ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for
> CCL and hoping to have one in the nearish term... it's kind
> of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on
> and on about getting a space... until we finally got one :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org
> <mailto:jake at spaz.org>> wrote:
> it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially
> considering that moving it is the most dangerous thing
> to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place
> is chosen for it.
>
> Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL
> has NO room yet, moving it will have to wait.
>
> However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to
> move it if and when the time comes.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a
> uhaul truck to move it as it looks large?
> Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and
> we have another Counter Culture labs
> co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it
> and said she could teach us :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack
> <benlack at gmail.com <mailto:benlack at gmail.com>> wrote:
> It looks like it would be fine sitting in a
> garage for a few months, if so, I have space.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik
> D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com <mailto:patrikd at gmail.com>> wrote:
> That would be excellent!
>
> Here's the user manual with all the specs:
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshooting-Reference_Guide.pdf
>
> It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily
> take up any more space than some bio equipment.
> Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake
> <jake at spaz.org <mailto:jake at spaz.org>> wrote:
> I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if
> it went to Counter Culture Labs. He just wants
> it to be understood and appreciated, rather than
> sitting
> neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the
> church building before the price goes up on it,
> and I can help transport it.
>
> It is basically an equipment rack and a cart
> of accessories, so it doesn't take up a ton of
> room. But it's good to be able to set the
> microscope and
> vacuum pump on different structures so that
> the vibration of the pump doesn't shake the
> scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures
> it will be
> necessary to construct an analog data
> importer but that will likely just be a computer with a
> slightly modified sound card and some software.
>
> keep in mind that to view organic
> (nonmetallic) things you will need a gold sputterer.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
> I'd be very happy to help transport
> the scanning electron microscope and if
> it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also
> love to float the idea of potentially
> housing it at Counter Culture Labs
> (the Sudo room DIY Bio offshoot) when we
> eventually open up. Any thoughts?
>
> How big is the SEM (I know some of
> them can be huge which might prohibit
> location)?
>
> All the best,
> Ryan
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake
> <jake at spaz.org <mailto:jake at spaz.org>> wrote:
> sudoroom is being offered a
> scanning electron microscope (by Dr.
> X).
>
> it comes with all the stuff and
> actually works, but it requires
> a bit of knowledge to operate
> it. unfortunately Mr. X is not
> available to train us how to
> operate it, however Chris Murphy
> may be available and knows how
> it works.
>
> It would take up about 30 square
> feet of space including the
> place where the operators sit or
> stand. It is not computerized
> like the one at Pumping Station
> One, it is an analog machine.
> Pictures can be taken at high
> resolution by long-exposure photo
> of the CRT on the front of the
> machine, or we can build an
> analog data importer to
> reconstruct images at much higher
> resolution if we desire.
>
> The cash price of this SEM is
> $10 in gas and tolls, I will
> provide the vehicle and
> movement. The rest of the price of the
> machine in blood and sacrifice
> is in the time and energy to
> learn its intricicies and
> idiosynchracies while learning about
> vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and
> how not to let vacuum oil
> contaminate your vacuum and get
> all over your filament.
>
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
>
> ironically, one of the reasons
> it doesn't work as well at
> noisebridge is because the whole
> place shakes when the city
> buses ride by. and sudoroom is
> apparently directly over the
> bart tunnel so i wonder how
> different it will be.
>
> -jake
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