[sudo-discuss] Yandex: was Re: If Sudoroom ppl serious re getting an FCC radio license, should start wkly mtgs immediately.

[Steve Berl]

I strongly agree with Eddan. It makes no sense to ban a non-negligible
portion of the worlds population because of 2 known bad email addresses.
Why not try just banning those 2 and see how it goes.

Steve

On Thursday, October 31, 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:

> I disagree with this risk/benefit analysis below. The risk of excluding
> some Russian programmers (or émigrés) due to this policy is not 0. (Might
> want to scan our current membership)
>
> The loss of excluding an enthusiastic Sudo person because of an overbroad
> ban is disproportionately high for a place emphasizing openness and
> inclusion.
> I say: Take down the wall!
>
> As a policy, I think it only makes sense to ban an address after it has
> been demonstrated that it has abused its privilege. Until then, I think all
> email addresses should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
>
>
> My 2 bitcoins.
> (2 is worth a lot these days on the bitcoin market, isn't it?)
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 2:38 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'g2g-public01 at att.net');>>
> wrote:
>
>
> The probability of anyone in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, or Kazakhstan,
> becoming an SR member, asymptotically approaches zero.  The probability of
> spams, scams, spyware, malware, etc. coming from those locations, is high.
> The ratio of spam to real correspondence from yandex.com addresses is
> presently 1.0 : 0.
>
> That's a lousy risk/benefit ratio.  So IMHO ban the hell out of yandex.comand any other domain that shows itself to be a significant source of spam
> etc.
>
> "Open" as in "accepting" does not equal "open" as in "unprotected."  We
> are not under any obligation to have no collective immune system.  Species
> without immune defenses don't even last long enough to become footnotes in
> archaeology.
>
> -G
>
>
> =====
>
>
>
> On 13-10-30-Wed 5:10 PM, Steve Berl wrote:
>
> You might not want to ban everyone from yandex.com. It is a huge ISP with
> many millions of customers from all over Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.
> It would be equivalent to banning everyone from yahoo.com or similar.
>
>  I'd suggest a bit more specific filtering.
>
>  -steve
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'yardenack at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Steve Berl <steveberl at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'steveberl at gmail.com');>>
>> wrote:
>> > The spam From: field says "john re <giovanni-re at yandex.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'giovanni-re at yandex.com');>
>> >"
>> > The real emails seem to come from "giovanni_re" <john_re at fastmail.us<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'john_re at fastmail.us');>
>> >
>>
>>  The spam emails all came from:
>>
>>    giovanni-re at yandex.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'giovanni-re at yandex.com');>
>>    carefullychipped at yandex.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'carefullychipped at yandex.com');>
>>
>> Neither of these had posted to the list before, and both were banned.
>> A pattern also became clear after yet another new subscriber showed
>> up, named:
>>
>>    yardena.cohen at yandex.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'yardena.cohen at yandex.com');>
>>
>> Creepy! At that point I just decided to ban everything from
>> yandex.com, which seems to have stopped the problem. There were no
>> other subscribers from that domain.
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>  --
> -steve
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