[sudo-discuss] Giovanni has been banned from the list

[Danny Spitzberg]

I wholeheartedly 2nd, 3rd the sentiment and suggestion to have a conversation (via email if not IRL) with Giovanni to tame his exuberance and use the list more judiciously. 




"Banning" without first taking initiative to educate and include in understanding expecte practices is straight-up draconian -- eliminating not solving the problem.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Banning someone for being annoying is something you guys will probably have
> to do often and you should definitely not do it.
> As far as I can tell, what makes NB dis functional is their commitment to
> come one come all. "All" is not a great group, necessarily. If you are
> trying to build a club that is self-governing, it has to have people in it
> whose judgment you trust. There's nothing wrong with that I think.
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
>>
>> IMHO that seems excessively harsh.  Banning someone from the list is
>> similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such
>> things entail a collective action by the community rather than an
>> administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or someone
>> with keys to the door.   Spambots and overt criminals are one thing, but
>> people who are merely annoying in some way are another.
>>
>> Really:  With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and
>> consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone
>> for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core
>> principles.
>>
>> If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space,
>> aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are
>> dispute-resolution processes in place for that.
>>
>> So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the
>> list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for
>> resolving the issues you have with him.
>>
>> -G
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>> On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote:
>>
>>  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01 at att.net<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'g2g-public01 at att.net');>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What happened?  I thought the "john re" address had been captured or
>>> spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most recently
>>> discussing the FCC application.  Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to
>>> be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing?   -G
>>>
>>
>>  He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails in
>> nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a project that
>> he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not
>> reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and counter culture labs
>> meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the community's time trying to
>> push this project onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar
>> things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay area.
>>
>>  In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor
>> undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on people
>> even in the face of little interest. This might have all been fine if he
>> was actually spearheading the project, but he is not.
>>
>> --
>>  Marc
>>
>>
>>
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