[sudo-discuss] [HELP] Oak Tech teacher requests space 6hrs/1x/month **starting Sunday**

[Vicky Knox]

I will not participate in a public trial of my character over the listserv
or implicate any others who may have been present on the list when I sent
the original email out, or were at Sudo Room on Saturday evening.

Marc, if you have specific items you'd like to bring to the meeting to
empower members to respond in a more critically-engaged and enlightened way
in a situation such as the one that unfolded Saturday evening, a consensus
opinion you would like to propose for Sudo Room to adopt on the topic, or
any other constructive item you'd like to bring forth, please do so.

If any of you were present, your perspectives will be deeply appreciated at
the meeting (next week, not this Weds.) so that the community can work with
as informed a perspective as we possibly can moving forward.

Thank you to others who have contributed their nuance to this conversation
on the list.


2013/10/14 Marc Juul <juul at labitat.dk>

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Marc's response is justified, though I reject the language of the two
>> opening questions.
>>
>> My conversation over the phone with Vivienne lead me to believe that she
>> was participating in a competition organized by her school and I didn't
>> carefully scan the email explanation that she sent me afterward to send to
>> the list. I am really down about my oversight and apologize for it.
>>
>> I did learn the details of the competition's funding when she and a
>> colleague came to see the space and pick up the key the night before their
>> practice, and at that point I processed the explanation of the sponsorship
>> much differently than Marc.
>>
>
>
>> While she is not happy about the sponsor, Vivienne's justification of
>> pursuing this event was that this was a great opportunity for her students
>> to get a hold of resources and a learning environment they would otherwise
>> not have had. She wanted to be able to do this event at a hackerspace
>> because her ultimate goal was to use this competition as a bridge to
>> connect to a critical, hacker community (for what this bridge is worth,
>> given the obvious discrepancy). I felt at once uneasy and understanding. I
>> respect the sentiment that she expressed that she needed to take the
>> opportunity that was there, just as I am not quick to jump to judgment of
>> many of my bright and fascinating friends back home who were in a position
>> in which they (felt that they?) needed to join the military in order to
>> realistically afford higher education. That said, I stand with Marc in my
>> rejection of the military industrial complex (or whatever you would like to
>> call it), but I do not know the answer to more nuanced questions of access
>> to aspirational education within a race-class divided society. I invite
>> your conversation.
>>
> This is not a question of access to aspirational education within a
> race-class divided society. The problem I'm having is that you (and
> possibly others?) decided to facilitate something called The Air Force
> Association's CyberPatriot Competition, with Northrop Grumman as sponsor,
> with some form of association to sudo room. Whatever your personal
> decision-making process was, you must have realized that at least some
> members would strongly disagree with that decision, yet you moved forward
> with short warning and without directly bringing the controversial topic in
> front of the group for discussion and decision. This should have been taken
> up at the weekly meeting. The fact that it was not obvious to you that this
> event was controversial enough to warrant serious group discussion before
> proceeding is problematic.
>
>> If Marc or anyone else would like to bring up this topic at the general
>> meeting, I could not make it this Wednesday but am available the following.
>>
> I will be there.
>
>
>>  Vicky
>> On Oct 13, 2013 7:31 PM, "Marc Juul" <juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you all have any recommendations on how to expedite this? What is
>>>> the current status of the large room and using it for  events?
>>>>
>>>> For background, this teacher origianally contacted info at sudoroom but
>>>> never got a response, and called the SR number today, slightly frantic. I
>>>> think it would be really awesome if we were able to help her out. This
>>>> event seems quite an incredible opportunity for young people.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What? What have you been smoking?
>>>
>>> The Air Force Association's CyberPatriot? Sponsored by Northrop
>>> Grumman?! Why are people assuming that this is something sudo room
>>> wants to support or in any way encourage?
>>>
>>> This sounds terrible. I am going to take this up at this Wednesdays sudo
>>> room meeting. I am completely against anything like this happening in or
>>> near sudo room in any way shape or form. I do not believe I am alone in
>>> feeling like this. I am both surprised and very disappointed that a
>>> critical and sceptical approach was not taken in dealing with something
>>> like this on behalf of sudo room.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marc
>>>
>>
>
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