[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Pete Forsyth]

Marina, thanks for that link. A technical question -- is there a
significant difference in the purpose of the following pages?

https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Potential_spaces
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/open_a_space#Listings_Spreadsheet

If not -- any objections if I merge?
Pete


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:

> hi all,
>
> as far as i can tell, the "state of gentrification of a neighborhood" (if
> it's even possible for that to mean anything) isn't currently one of our
> criteria when considering a new space:
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/open_a_space
>
> gentrification is super important, but i'm not  sure why this discussion
> is relevant to the list. would folks who are interested in discussing this
> further please consider taking it off-list? if you are looking for a
> constructive way to improve the level of this kind of discussion, the
> "gentrification <http://oaklandwiki.org/gentrification>" & "what should
> we do about gentrification<http://oaklandwiki.org/What_should_we_do_about_gentrification%3F>"
> entries on oakland wiki need lots of work.
>
> - marina
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Max B <maxb.personal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an amazing article with a ton of history:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.bayofrage.com/from-the-bay/oakland-is-for-burning-beyond-a-critique-of-gentrification/
>>>
>>> I would highly recommend anyone who thinks they have useful things to
>>> say on the mailing list to read ALL of it and reconsider their
>>> remarks......
>>
>>
>> I bit, but I didn't like the taste. It's a long article, so let me quote
>> the concluding paragraph here:
>>
>> "By discovering together a practice that seeks to 1) identify and attack
>> development, 2) subvert and destroy the infrastructure of the city, and 3)
>> destroy whiteness as an identity and a set of practices, we can forge a
>> response to gentrification that hinges not on inactivity out of guilt, but
>> instead from action motivated by our insurgent spirit."
>>
>>
>> The  anonymous author then goes on to enumerate an extensive list of
>> "enemies," which are mainly business associations. In other words there's a
>> pretty strong agenda driving this article, which might or might not align
>> with various readers' visions of progress.
>>
>> The article does offer some worthwhile historical nuggets, and in general
>> I agree with the notion the author advances, that class or socioeconomic
>> standing can be more useful anchoring concepts than race when considering
>> the evolution of a city.
>>
>> I am surprised that the Black Guerrilla Family doesn't get a mention
>> among the radical groups with significant history here.
>>
>> Max -- what do you see in this article that could inform the choice of a
>> new location for Sudo Room?
>>
>> Pete
>>
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