[sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

[Hol Gaskill]

25 and 50 years - how are you calculating this?  there is a risk of this happening much sooner.  the condo/loft construction all got put on ice circa 2008 but investors are licking their chops again.  we've seen a huge influx of investment in the last 6 months alone, with people buying up property cash in hand.  but i digress


to touch on concerns that sudo room would have a gentrifying effect, i think residential development is the real driver of gentrification, not hackerspaces that thrive on low rents and make an effort to engage the community.  there is on the flipside the concern for safety of users of the space, which is valid.  i also think aiming for a crime-free area is impractical and counter to our mission.


Nov 26, 2013 10:13:27 AM, sonja.trauss at gmail.com wrote:
Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow. 

>In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there every day if you move to 8th and Alice. 
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Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these two specific goals:Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still)
Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING. 

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>On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
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>Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike front doors to the recycling center.


>Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of community that everybody wants to  participate in, but it does offer opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the problem.


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>On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . amberyadaanimation at gmail.com> wrote:
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>It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified" neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?


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>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul juul at labitat.dk> wrote:
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Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could potentially be a new sudo space.
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>We've started gathering information about it here:
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>  https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
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>My personal feeling about the space is: 
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>This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART, and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in almost every way.
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