[sudo-discuss] Cleaning

[Jehan Tremback]

Oh man we should have lunch helmets


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Ray Lai <raymond.wm.lai at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might already know this; Japanese schools have no janitors or cleaning
> staff; teachers, administrators and students all clean up their schools.
>
> The following excerpt cites cooperation, responsibility and valued member
> in a community as benefits of this practice of Souji.
>
> Here is the excerpt. It's from an article on life in Japanese schools (
> http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=830)
>
>
>  *Souji* ("honorable cleaning") is a period of about 15 minutes each day
> when all activities come to a stop, mops and buckets appears and everyone
> pitches in cleaning up. Often the teachers and principals get on their
> hands and knees and join students.
>
>  Japanese schools don't have any janitors because the students and staff
> do all the cleaning. Students in elementary school, middle school, and high
> school sweep the hall floors after lunch and before they go home at the end
> of the day. They also clean the windows, scrub the toilets and empty the
> trash cans under the supervision of student leaders. During lunchtime,
> sometimes donning hairnets, students help serve the meals and clear away
> dishes.
>
>  A member of the Board of Education in a town in Hokkaido told U.S. News
> and World Report, “Education is not only teaching subjects but also
> cooperation with others, ethics, a sense of responsibility, and public
> morality. Doing chores contributes to this. Besides, if students make a
> mess, they know they have to clean it up. So naturally they try to keep
> things clean.”
>
>  “Cleaning is just one of a web of activities that signal to children that
> they are valued members of a community,” Christopher Bjork, an educational
> anthropologist at Vasser Collage told U.S. News and World Report.
>
> I also wanted to share a story. I once worked at one of the most well
> funded public schools in the Bay Area. My students for the most part lived
> in a world of nannys, house cleaners, gardeners, and Personal coaches. I
> was closest with the janitor at the school because our jobs were
> essentially the same - he cleaned up physical messes and I cleaned up
> technology messes.
>
> One day I was rushing off to my class, when a mother and her son pointed
> out that I was spilling the remains of my lunch down the hallway. The
> mother seeing my haste added, "don't worry about it; the janitor will clean
> that up." i was personally mortified. And i made a point of cleaning up my
> own mess in front of the students.
>
>  I think a clearly outlined list of each rooms cleaning needs split among
> all participants in an event could clean our space with very little effort.
> 15 minutes from 20 people is 5 person-hours of work.
>
> I would be happy to organize such lists and present it at our next
> meeting. Perhaps these lists already exist. In any event they are a good
> thing to develop and communicate to George.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Raymond Lai
> Ice Cream Man
> Atomic Ice Cream
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>
> On May 16, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> agreed with andrew.
>
> - marina
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If we pay people for beer, if we buy burritos then why is it wrong to
>>>>> pay someone to clean?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> That analogy doesn't make sense. Sudo Room does not pay for beer or
>> burrito, never has. No one has been reimbursed for food or booze by Sudo
>> Room officially as far as I know.
>>
>>
>>>  Could we pay for a small family owned immigrant cleaning business to
>>>>> clean the common room and the space ?
>>>>>
>>>>>  I do not see sudo room getting into a cleaning skill set in the near
>>>>> future and  that is ok
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> I think that for the most part the cleaning has been fine. The only
>> problem we have is with the land lord complaining. *The problem is with
>> the land lord, not Sudo Room*. Either *he* pays for a cleaning service,
>> or he lets the people who pay for office space there decide how, and how
>> much we want to clean. Period.
>>
>> --Andrew
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------
>> Andrew Lowe
>> Cell: 831-332-2507
>> http://roshambomedia.com
>>
>>
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