[sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting

[Matthew Senate]

*PLEASE READ THE "**ACTION ITEMS**" AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS MESSAGE

*This all being said, by a facilitation oversight, announcements did not
occur prior to the rest of the agenda.

Having the announcements first is important. But even so, long discussions
are bound occur, so I agree with you that their frequency should be
minimized either by:

   - (a) more effectively approaching a large topic (such as through
   multiple sessions, seeking folks to work on some component of the topic
   outside the meeting and reporting back to all, etc) OR
   - (b) being very clever and implementing systems that help us ensure
   maximal clarity, transparency, brevity, and fairness--all with regard to
   the sudo values and the rest of the Articles of Association.

*ACTION ITEMS*

   1. For (a) I'd like to ask anyone who is interested to meet 30 minutes
   before this Wed mtg (so at 6:30pm) to form a Facilitation and Scribe Team
   for this week alone (no commitment). Email me if you are interested.
   2. Also for (a) I'd like to add to the agenda for this Wed that we seek
   help in forming a "Constitutional Convention Committee" that would organize
   and advertise a "Constitutional Convention" event that would focus on
   entertaining productive collaborative sessions on understanding the
   Articles, identifying ambiguity, and proposing specific options to move
   forward [e.g. a change to the articles, or a request for more insight]. The
   only requirement is that this group report back to the email list in time
   for an update by the next meeting, or in-person at the meeting.
   3. For (b) an example of good systems includes creating a "sub-page" on
   the wiki in order to demonstrate potential changes to the articles
   themselves (e.g.
   https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Constable). I'm
   offering myself, and seeking anyone else who would be generally available
   to demonstrate and encourage the use of sub-pages to draft changes, or
   other ways to improve the Articles, such as Bill's excellent
   http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Governance_tests.
   4. Also for (b) I want to add to the agenda of this Weds meeting that we
   include a brief discussion on how to share and consider all of our
   different, helpful, insightful perspectives on how groups are able to
   collaborate, other than the email list.


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Eddan <eddan at clear.net> wrote:

> Patrick -
>
> I share your frustration, even as I end up taking part in what is
> frustrating about it. It is unfortunate the manner in which these
> discussions have evolved, but I think it is also worth considering why
> these sadly uninviting conversations keep coming up so that we can try to
> fix it rather than ignore what it might signify when articulated in a more
> friendly spirit.
>
> It is my impression that underlying all the technicalities is a sense that
> we're broaching the point where making decisions on behalf of the whole
> feels more important. You could say we are graduating into the next phase
> of the spiritual constitution of this unlikely community. It stirs emotion
> because we share the dissatisfaction of the existing models of how this is
> done regularly and want passionately for this to be different than that.
>
> I know that you're right that the rules-based version of this feeling is
> likely not the best way to go. But we still have to figure out how to make
> decisions together, even if it is the choreography of a puppet-show
> folk-dance.
>
> -Eddan
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Patrick Schmidt <
> psbschmidt at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sudoers,
>>
>> what happened last week again?
>>
>> Everybody was excited, we had a birthday, we had awesome food and
>> awesome people.
>> As hackers we come to share what we are passionate about, get
>> inspired, plan new projects,
>> and are excellent to each other, work together on things at Sudo and
>> plan awesome activities.
>>
>> But than a big rupture. A new ever returning topic comes to the agenda,
>> the whole energy of the room fades away.
>>
>> The looks of the faces of the people all say the same:
>> lets get as quickly over this point as possible.
>>
>> But we had to go through this for one hour, an EGO driven conversation
>> starts.
>>
>> Its about regulating, rules, hypotheticals, bureaucracy, installing
>> special sudo functions almost like police.
>>
>> we were arguing an hour over some trivial wording.
>>
>> is this really the way we want to go?
>>
>> Not being able to solve problems in the moment at the meetings?
>> Or to keep the positive energy going at the meetings?
>> Paralyzing ourselved for one hour again instead of sharing?
>>
>> Do we really want to loose somuch time about wording of a document
>> which is only read
>> by the people who wrote the document?
>>
>> We all enjoy coming to sudoroom. For a growing and thriving community
>> it should be easy
>> to tell friends about it, invite people and say "just be excellent to
>> each other and check it out",
>> nobody will read any commendments or laws before coming.
>>
>> But what would new people see at the meetings? the same uninviting
>> left brain driven discussions we see in politics and law...
>>
>> Do we really want to be ruled by a police system again within our
>> newborn community?
>>
>> We are all one, one community, one people, one tribe.
>>
>> Dont get me wrong, I dont want to blame, accuse or criticize anybody.
>>
>> I want to put awareness of what the Eg wants:
>>
>> The EGO seperates itself from all the others. The EGO wants to hang on
>> to the old system
>> of ruling, devide and conquer. The EGO is afraid of a world of the 'WE"
>>
>> We have to get over the stage of EGO driven tactics to create a truely
>> free community.
>>
>> So what can we do about it?
>>
>> we have to show a lot of love towards the EGO driven minds. Hold em
>> tight, say we love em, and that we appreciate their effort for the
>> community.
>> After all (lets hope) they have good intentions.
>> But we also have to make it clear that we dont need all these
>> regulations and the seperation from the rest of the world.
>>
>> we are one big family, and only if we accept this we can build a better
>> future.
>>
>> just my personal feelings,
>> p.
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