[sudo-discuss] Dystopia Watch: Surveillance drones coming to a cafe near you.
Steve Berl
steveberl at gmail.com
Tue Mar 5 15:25:50 PST 2013
This conversation reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eUIK9CihA
-steve
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Heh, we're on the same track here, funny though it may seem. I have a
> couple of other things up my sleeve...
>
> First, I was just thinking (as you were sending your comment): envision
> a hoodie with a hood that's big enough to cover two peoples' heads at
> conversational distance. It would block cameras from reading their
> faces & lips, and it would attenuate their conversation enough that
> nearby casual mics couldn't pick it up. So in effect whoever's wearing
> this can provide a "tent" for themselves and one other person to have a
> private conversation while sitting in a public place. This wouldn't
> block highly targeted mics, only casual ones nearby, but it's a start.
> (Keep in mind that the New Surveillance Paradigm is not to spend
> inordinate labor targeting anyone, but to use mass methods and
> statistical probabilities to harvest everyone most of the time.)
>
> Second, a device:
>
> A small metal box with a hinged lid and built-in audio masking and RF
> jamming of user-selectable bands inside the box. It might also have a
> mic inside and a speaker outside. Put your mobile device in the box and
> flip a couple of switches on the outside to select the mode of operation:
>
> = Audio masked so the mobile device's microphones are saturated with
> noise, but if you get an incoming call you'll hear it ring via the
> external speaker on the box. This would be successful because the box
> itself would also attenuate your voice outside of it: by analogy think
> of sitting in a room with music playing and the door closed, while
> someone has a conversation in the hallway. The closed door muffles
> their conversation and all you hear is the music on your radio.
>
> = GPS band jammed so the device can't stalk your whereabouts.
>
> = Cellphone band jammed so the device can't talk to towers at all.
>
> Thus if you can't take the battery out of the mobile device (Apple), you
> can jam the hell out of it when you want privacy.
>
> This could be turned into a "product" sold by SudoRoom or any of our
> friendly electronics geeks. I'd bet there'd be pretty decent demand for
> it.
>
> Arguably it would not violate FCC regs about cellphone jamming if the
> jamming signals were not detectable to any significant degree outside
> the box. (And .gov would tip its hand if it argued that you're not even
> allowed to jam cellphones within a few cubic inches of space inside a
> metal box.)
>
> -G.
>
>
> =====
>
>
> On 13-03-05-Tue 2:14 PM, hol at gaskill.com wrote:
> > meetings in underwater bubble domes! only heads sticking above the
> artificial waterline - now that's security! "fishsong our walls"...
> >
> >
> > Mar 5, 2013 01:51:46 PM, anon195714 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Re. Rachel, "Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices,
> > in the fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as
> > our roof."
> >
> > YES. Good reminder and well-said. There are times and places where
> > it's liberating to not have any devices along. For example when
> > going for a swim.
> >
> > -G.
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> > On 13-03-05-Tue 11:34 AM, rachel lyra
> > hospodar wrote:
> >
> >
> > What if everyone carried a device that captured what they were
> > saying and replayed it, layered along with other recordings of
> > their own voice?
> >
> > Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices, in the
> > fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as our
> > roof.
> >
> >
> > On Mar 5, 2013 11:22 AM, "Matthew D.
> > Howell" matthewdhowell at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > @Rachel The state of the technology for recognizing and
> > separating
> > patterns in audio is advanced enough to overcome that sort of
> > thing.
> > Every person's voice has a distinct signature that can be
> > recognized.
> > I would venture a guess that some kind of encrypted digital
> > signal
> > transmission would be the best way to keep any sonic
> > communication
> > private in the most extreme of situations. (most interested
> > party with
> > the best technology at their disposal)
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
> > rachelyra at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Wouldn't it need to be non-commercially available music,
> > so they couldn't
> > > just find the audio data of the track, invert its wave,
> > and cancel it out of
> > > the recording?
> > >
> > > CACOPHONY FOR THE REVOLUTION!
> > >
> > > mediumreality.com
> > >
> > > On Mar 5, 2013 10:23 AM, "Steve Berl" steveberl at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You could carry a boombox around playing loud music
> > where ever you go.
> > >> Perhaps this would be the end of earbuds. :-)
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Di Franco
> > di.franco at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> People have rendered surveillance cameras useless
> > with very bright IR
> > >>> LEDs in their fields of view.
> > >>> Could something similar be done for sound
> > recording devices?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mar 5, 2013 6:17 AM, "Anon195714"
> anon195714 at sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yo's-
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Something I forgot to add re. DARPA's desire
> > for universal recording of
> > >>>> face-to-face conversations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What's the ideal device for doing all that
> > recording?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How'bout something you wear? How'bout
> > something that "everyone" wears?,
> > >>>> or even a significant fraction of "everyone"?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Like maybe Google Glasses.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Always on, camera and mic always "connected"
> > to "the cloud." Orwell's
> > >>>> telescreen gone mobile.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Everyone who wears them will become, in
> > effect, _unpaid surveillance
> > >>>> drones_ watching their family and friends,
> > not from up in the sky, but
> > >>>> from up close where every word can be heard.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Some will say "oh, there's no stopping
> > technology." People said that
> > >>>> about the atomic bomb and the hydrogen bomb.
> > But public outcry led
> > >>>> first to treaties and then to progressive
> > degrees of nuclear
> > >>>> disarmament. We haven't used that technology
> > since it was first used in
> > >>>> WW2.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We can stop pernicious tech if we choose. We
> > can refuse, we can
> > >>>> withdraw consent, we do not have to press the
> > Buy button.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Technology should liberate and empower
> > people. "Conveniences with a few
> > >>>> strings attached" are not liberation, they're
> > puppet-strings.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's all about control: technology that you
> > can control, vs. technology
> > >>>> that can control you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -G.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> =====
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 13-03-05-Tue 1:50 AM, Anon195714 wrote:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Yo's-
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > This just in:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > "DARPA wants to make [voice
> > recognition/transcription] systems so
> > >>>> > accurate, you’ll be able to easily
> > record, transcribe and recall all
> > >>>> > the
> > >>>> > conversations you ever have. ... Imagine
> > living in a world where every
> > >>>> > errant utterance you make is preserved
> > forever. ... DARPA [awarded
> > >>>> > U.Texas comp sci researcher Matt
> > Lease]... $300,000... over two years
> > >>>> > to
> > >>>> > study the new project, called “Blending
> > Crowdsourcing with Automation
> > >>>> > for Fast, Cheap, and Accurate Analysis
> > of Spontaneous Speech.”"
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > "The idea is that business meetings or
> > even conversations with your
> > >>>> > friends and family could be stored in
> > archives and easily searched.
> > >>>> > The
> > >>>> > stored recordings could be held in
> > servers, owned either by
> > >>>> > individuals
> > >>>> > or their employers. ... The answer,
> > Lease says, is in widespread use
> > >>>> > of
> > >>>> > recording technologies like smartphones,
> > cameras and audio
> > >>>> > recorders...
> > >>>> > [A] memorandum from the Congressional
> > Research Service described [an
> > >>>> > earlier DARPA project of this type known
> > as] EARS, as focusing on
> > >>>> > speech
> > >>>> > picked up from broadcasts and telephone
> > conversations, “as well as
> > >>>> > extract clues about the identity of
> > speakers” for “the military,
> > >>>> > intelligence and law enforcement
> > communities.”"
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/darpa-speech/
> > (Yes, "real
> > >>>> > geeks
> > >>>> > don't read Wired," but nonetheless its
> > news pages are useful for
> > >>>> > keeping
> > >>>> > a finger on the pulse of Big Brother and
> > his corporate Brethren.)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > In short:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > DARPA is researching the means by which
> > every conversation you have,
> > >>>> > in-person, whether at work or with
> > family or friends, gets picked up
> > >>>> > by
> > >>>> > the mic in your smartphone or other
> > portable device, and stored on a
> > >>>> > server, where DARPA's algorithms and
> > human editors turn all of it into
> > >>>> > fast-searchable text, that could be used
> > by your employer, the
> > >>>> > military,
> > >>>> > law enforcement, and intel agencies.
> > Presumably the credit bureaus,
> > >>>> > insurance companies, and financial
> > institutions will want "in" on the
> > >>>> > data as well.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Now connect that with this, about
> > cell-site tracking and call detail
> > >>>> > records:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > "The government maintained [that]
> > Americans have no expectation of
> > >>>> > privacy of such cell-site records [call
> > detail records or CDR] because
> > >>>> > they are in the possession of a third
> > party — the mobile phone
> > >>>> > companies."
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-drug-dealer-retrial/
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > The key point is that the gov's current
> > position is that data stored
> > >>>> > on
> > >>>> > a third party's servers have "no
> > expectation of privacy." What begins
> > >>>> > with CDR will eventually include
> > voicemail messages stored on the
> > >>>> > mobile
> > >>>> > phone companies' servers, and then
> > eventually all of your live
> > >>>> > in-person
> > >>>> > conversations that are stored "in the
> > cloud."
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > "Anything you say can and will be used
> > against you..." Mark my words.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Meanwhile people keep using gmail and
> > Google Voice, and smartphones
> > >>>> > from
> > >>>> > which they can't remove the batteries.
> > Because nothing is more
> > >>>> > important
> > >>>> > than "convenience," right?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > As a character in a sci-fi piece I wrote
> > in the mid-1980s said, "Why
> > >>>> > put
> > >>>> > a person in prison, when you can put
> > prison in the person instead?"
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > -G.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
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> > >> -steve
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