[sudo-discuss] IRC

Wed Jan 30 13:20:59 PST 2013

OKAY, I've added some more to the conflict resolution item on our agenda
tonight: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom

// Matt

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
<rachelyra at gmail.com>wrote:

> i think this reply is dismissive and it makes me sadfaced.
>
> Yardena is talking about much deeper and more insidious, and potentially
> divisive, issues than typos or spelling.  If you think her concerns are
> boring, then you could easily ignore them and stay silent without being
> dismissive and rude.
>
> Yardena did an awesome job of facilitating meetings for 6 straight hours
> last week... it seems to me like anyone who enjoyed that experience with
> her might take a moment to give a damn about her concerns.
>
> Multiple folks have suggested it would be good to have a clear IRC policy.
>  That seems like a good next step.  Maybe a wiki page, seeded with
> Yardena's suggestion here?  I am not active on the channel so am not sure
> if it makes sense for me to be too involved in that process...?
>
> R.
>
>
> On 1/30/2013 1:07 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote:
>
>> Do you know why America is awesome?  We have the time and privilege and
>> resources to argue
>> over replacing a "Y" with a "J".
>>
>> I can't wait for the next comet.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack at gmail.com
>> <mailto:yardenack at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      >> Apparently the Sudo folk with admin privileges to the #sudoroom
>>     IRC channel are jealously resistant to sharing control,
>>
>>      > This is not the case. Jordana and Tunabananas have operator
>>     privileges and can perform any sort of moderation they desire. If
>>     you have an issue with the content of #sudoroom, creating a new
>>     channel will not solve that problem.
>>
>>     I avoided replying to this right away, because I was too angry and
>>     creeped out over being called "Jordana." He did this once before in
>>     the IRC while at the same time talking about me with male pronouns
>>     (he/his) - he knows better, so I took this as targeted harassment, or
>>     at the very least disingenuous passive aggressive participation in the
>>     trolling games that have been going on lately. He's apologized to me
>>     in private since then but I just want to register that joking about
>>     hackerspace wars can be fun, but actually gaslighting each other is
>>     NOT fun. It can be scary, intimidating, and seriously compromise the
>>     accessibility and diversity of our community.
>>
>>     As to the substance, he's absolutely right that we have op privileges,
>>     but this obscures a few things. For technical background, I encourage
>>     people to read about the difference between +F and +o. Your best guide
>>     will be logging onto freenode and typing: "/msg chanserv help flags"
>>     but more general guides are online:
>>
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**IRC#Modes<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Modes>
>>     https://freenode.net/using_**the_network.shtml<https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml>
>>
>>     There've been conflicts over how to run the channel. Namely:
>>
>>     1) The person with +F has used his privileges to override the
>>     decisions of those with only +o, at several times unquieting people
>>     we've quieted. The contexts for these were admittedly controversial
>>     and fall on ideological fault lines over how to run an IRC channel in
>>     general, so I agree 100% with Andrew that a clear IRC policy is the
>>     way to go. For the record, this has been mostly about using oppressive
>>     slurs, and my position has been not to tolerate them very much. We
>>     happen to have in our community a person who makes it his life's work
>>     to push peoples' buttons with slurs, and happened to be doing that IN
>>     the IRC channel. He'd also made a habit of typing anatomical words at
>>     random times. Form your own opinions. Again, the solution to this may
>>     be more about having a clear policy, than who enforces it.
>>
>>     2) The person with +F has acted in bad faith. He flooded the channel
>>     with ascii art of an ejaculating swastika and claimed it was an
>>     "accident", which would be a no-brainer kban in most any channel. When
>>     asked to share +F with other people, his response was to vandalize the
>>     Sudoroom wiki to say he is the "leader" (
>>     http://sudoroom.org/wiki/**Community_Structure<http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Community_Structure>). In the meantime, he
>>     shares +F with a friend of his who hadn't been to Sudoroom since
>>     summer 2012 and didn't even seem to know anybody's name. They'd also
>>     set the +S (successor) flag for a person who is emphatically NOT a
>>     Sudoroom member and has even publically criticized Sudoroom. This sent
>>     a clear message to the rest of us that we were dealing with people who
>>     saw us as a joke; didn't respect our community; and that there was
>>     little we could do about it in the short term. That mistrust has
>>     colored all of the talk over IRC privileges since then, and has only
>>     escalated since these same people came to our 1/16 meeting and made it
>>     significantly longer (by complaining about the meeting being long!),
>>     and also filled our meeting agenda notes with things like "fuck",
>>     "poop" and "this is why you guys never hack anything".
>>
>>     I'm not bitter or anything, just trying to bring out some of the
>>     subtext here for those not following why things are happening the way
>>     they are.
>>
>>     I think the best formulation for IRC rules that everyone can agree on
>>     would be something like: we want the IRC channel to accurately reflect
>>     the atmosphere at the physical sudoroom space. To me, that nicely
>>     encompasses all the many behavioral problems and general do's and
>>     don'ts. Honestly the room itself has rarely had the kind of problems
>>     the channel has, because people tend to be a lot more decent to each
>>     other face to face, and because it self-selects for people who care
>>     about the community.
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