[sudo-discuss] problem/solution

Wed Aug 28 17:40:43 PDT 2013

Hi Johanna,

I don't think anyone's feelings will get hurt :D.

On conversion, I think there are a variety of user-personas we have to work
with, and I've done a lot of asking around before I started this
discussions, and people have negative opinions about the physical space.
 Most of them are minor greivances, but a majority of them focus on
clutter, and overall usefulness.  I think we could solve that problem in a
number of ways, as you pointed out, but the best way would be the way that
was easiest for all members to approach, and so less stuff makes it easier
to clean, in my opinion.

Secondarily, I look at the stuff like I look at bloatware. Yea, it's not
filling up the whole hard-drive, but It's still an obtrusive thing.  You
may be right that we could organize the stuff we have, but it would still
be stuff we don't want.

I think it makes much more sense to have a wishlist.  Is this item on the
wishlist?  No. Why is it being donated?  At least at that point, someone
has to know it's on them, if that junk sticks around the space.

I know at other hackerspaces this has worked, but our organizational system
isn't the same, but I think the personal pressure would be good, and people
would take more ownership over things, and we could at least see who is
using the stuff, etc., etc.

That combined with a sticker system is good... if people had a fixed number
of stickers every few months, we could identify the tough spots visibly.
 Also, we could identify the stuff that has been liked the most over the
months and even years... Like our fridge would have a rainbow of stickers
that said "good" on them.  Which is pretty cool on it's own(RIGHT JC :D ?)

Anyway, I would love to have your husband help us with redesigning the
space, and I am very greatful that we're having this discussion, because I
think if we can come to an agreement around the community, more people will
get involved.

Thanks,

Rusty

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM, johanna faust <female.faust at gmail.com>wrote:

> i have a few thoughts on this, quite.  am brainstorming.  am very
> interested in helping to bring about the best of all possible outcomes.
>
>
> that being said, let me say that i do not think that it is the stuff that
> is keeping people away.  perhaps the size of the radio room, but not the
> stuff.  i myself find myself being protective more than inviting, because i
> love SR so much, and have seen a bit of the world and the depths to which
> the social can fall.
>
>
> *That *being said, i will invite more freely...
>
>
> but back to the topic.  my thoughts:
>
>
> i know that the space that there is can be wayyyy better utilized, because
> my honey folded space for me at our house, and he is a genius at it.  i
> could get into getting that ball in motion -- getting a consultation and a
> battle plan together by having him do a walkthrough and then taking notes
> ---  and submit that to the general Eye.
>
>
> As far as tickets and recycling, could there also be a way to sticker the
> things we would want if they were not others' keepers?  somehow i think
> thatt would help if the idea was to liquidate....
>
>
> also it should be considered having a biweekly or monthly 'yard' sale.
> another think i would be willing to help with, even if it was off site,
> like at the coliseum.
>
>
> but mostly i wanted to say that i do not think there is too much stuff
> there.  heh heh not by a long shot.....
>
>
> because a little bird told me that a whole bunch of choice electrical
> equipment was going to be coming the SR way....  old school stuff, from the
> middle of the last century --  and i didn't realize that, with as little as
> you had, you already thought you had too much....  i guess i thought that
> being a repository-slash-library was part of the community service of a
> hackerspace...
>
>
> and so i hope i have not gotten any of this too wrong.  certainly i mean
> no offense, and welcome the conversation.....
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:55 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Jonathan...  I agree we should focus on the execution, and I think once
>> we have a consensus, and we advertise the events more... more people will
>> show up.
>>
>> I can't lift a lot(part of my general frustration with the world right
>> now), but I'm down to help design the new space, and help cook and provide
>> cleaning during that time to help out.
>>
>> -Rusty
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Jonathan Levin <jdlevin at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> 2¢:
>>>
>>> The problem Rusty mentioned is something that I think several Sudoers
>>> tried to solve at the beginning of August with the deep
>>> clean/reorganization weekend that we had.
>>>
>>> If the general consensus is that the
>>> organization/crowding/cleanliness/etc. problem still exists, I think
>>> that a good starting point of discussion would be to address the
>>> successes and rooms-for-improvement of our recent attempt to solve it.
>>>
>>> In my opinion we should just have big clean days more often
>>>
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2013-08-25 at 21:40 -0700, rusty lindgren wrote:
>>> > Hey Guys,
>>> >
>>> > I feel like we have a problem and I want to put out there, along with
>>> > what I think is a really reasonable and well thought out solution.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Problem:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In my opinion there is way too much stuff at SudoRoom, and it's just
>>> > unfocused and messy.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think it's a roadblock to membership.  We aren't equipped to deal
>>> > with this much stuff, and we don't have room for people to be in the
>>> > space.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Solution(s):
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > One solution is to have a party where we donate, recycle, and throw
>>> > out things we don't need, in order to make room for a new design of
>>> > the space that accomodates more members and makes the space more
>>> > usable.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > As part of that we could hand out green stickers to put on things we
>>> > want to keep, and if people put stickers on things, then we can keep
>>> > them.  We could also hand out a limited amount of red stickers of
>>> > things that people want to see leave the space, and we could bring up
>>> > those items at a meeting.
>>> >
>>> > We could pool resources to pay for a dumpster, and uhaul truck.
>>> >  Obviously, throwing things away would be a last resort, and donating
>>> > would be preferred.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm open to other solutions, but this is where I have gotten with
>>> > other members so far.
>>> >
>>> > Fire away!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Rusty
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rusty Lindgren
>> **
>>
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-- 
Cheers,

Rusty Lindgren
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